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Alison
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29 Oct 2009 02:18 |
Hi, Can anyone help with some information about Francis Marshall Claridge, born1833, not sure where abouts although he lived in Nottingham once married. He married Jane Ann Clarke in 1860 and had 9 children, Selina ann,( my great grandmother), Francis , Violetta, Albert, Eliza ann,Bertha, Clara, Rosetta and Gertrude. I have part of the family in the 1871 census, and 1991 census although Francis senior is not present as the head of the family. Francis Claridge changed his name to Francis Marshall after the birth of his first 3 children. The first 3 were surnamed Claridge, the remaining children were Marshall. My grandmother told me he was a deserter from the army, hence the name change. Is there anywhere that you can get deserter records? Also can anyone help to find his parents and siblings? I would love to hear from anyone who can help or has a connection with this family.
frncis Claridge changed his name to Francis marshall after the birth of his first 3 childre
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Astra
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29 Oct 2009 05:50 |
Going to move some posts around and try to put it all in order.
1841
Francis Claridge Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Gender: Male Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Daventry Hundred: Fawsley County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Daventry Sub-registration district: Daventry Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Francis Claridge 35 Elizabeth Claridge 33 Edmond Claridge 12 Ann Claridge 10 Francis Claridge 8 Richard Claridge 6 Esther Claridge 4 Elizabeth Claridge 2 Emma Claridge 8 Mo
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Francis Claridge Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Daventry Town: Daventry County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Daventry Sub-registration district: Weedon ED, institution, or vessel: 9d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 123 Household Members: Name Age John Powell 51 Charlotte Powell 47 John Powell 4 Henry Mosely 31 Francis Claridge 19>>>>>>>>>>>>Shoemaker Thomas Mankie 19 Harry Gardener 17
1861 and he is Francis Marshall and noted as Blacksmith. Cannot figure out why but fairly sure it is the same man because of Selina Clarke who is noted as a boarder but I think she is Jane's mum as per the 1851 for Jane below and Jane also called her first daughter Selina.
Francis Marshall Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Ann Gender: Male Where born: Soho, London, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England View image Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Byron ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 305 Household Members: Name Age Francis Marshall 26 Jane Ann Marshall 21 Selina Clarke 50
1851 Jane
Jane Ann Clarke Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Selina Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Household schedule number: 151 Household Members: Name Age Selina Clarke 40 Jane Ann Clarke 9 Dorothy Jordon 79 Mary Jordon 45 William Jordan 6
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Violetta Marshall Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Frank Mother's Name: Jane A. Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street Address: 18 Beacon Hill Occupation: Box Maker (Paper) Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Byron ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Frank Marshall 49>>>>>>>Shoemaker Jane A. Marshall 39 Selina Marshall 18 Violetta Marshall 15 Albert Marshall 14 Elizabeth A. Marshall 9 Bertha Marshall 7 Clara Marshall 5 Gertrude Marshall 3
1891 and Jane is a widow so Francis must have died between 1881 and 91
Gertrude Marshall Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Jane Ann Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street Address: Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Ann Marshall 49 Eliza Ann Marshall 19 Bertha Marshall 17 Clara Marshall 15 Gertrude Marshall 13 Rosetta Marshall 6
As for Francis Claridge Senior
It looks as though Elizabeth died in 1852 and Francis Senior re-married to Ann Tilley in 1857
This could be Francis Senior. I can’t find another Francis Claridge in Daventry. From the Criminal Registers. Assault. Fine One Shilling.
Francis Claridge Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Date of Trial: Michaelmas 1834 Trial Year: 1834 Location of Trial: Northamptonshire, England
You really do need to purchase the marriage certificate which Sylvia has posted below to be 100% sure that this is the correct person. Because of the change of name I am not absolutely certain that we are not dealing with two people here especially from 1861. Still cannot find any evidence of him having been in the Army but someone may be able to dig that up for you.
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SylviaInCanada
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29 Oct 2009 06:14 |
He married as Francis Marshall Claridge
Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%) Claridge Francis Marshall Bakewell 7b 799 Clark Jane Ann Bakewell 7b 799
Bakewell is in Derbyshire
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SylviaInCanada
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29 Oct 2009 06:22 |
so where are they in 1871?
Alison ... you shoudl buy that marriage certificate, that will give you the names of the two fathers, and where they were lviing at the time of the marriage ...... and thus help us top find Francis before his marriage,
Astra .................. did you notice where it said he was born on those censuses???
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SylviaInCanada
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29 Oct 2009 06:27 |
ah!
he says he was born in London!
1861 Census
1861 England Census
Name: Francis Marshall Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Ann Gender: Male Where born: Soho, London, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Byron
Francis Marshall 26 Blacksmith Jane Ann Marshall 21 Lace Ennir (???) Selina Clarke 50 b.ca 1811, St Mary's Nottingham, Lodger, Married, Lace Embroideress
Address:-11 Paradise Row
so Selina is a Lodger ...... I would have thought she might be Jan Ann's mother!
aaaaaaaaargh ....................
in 1881, he says he was born in Northamptonshire!
BUT his occupation is also different ... he says he's a CORDWAINER ..... which is a shoemaker
1881 England Census
Name: Frank Marshall Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane A. Gender: Male Where born: Badley, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire
There's something wrong here ...... two different birth places, and 2 very different occupations ....... both of which would have required apprenticeships.
I wonder if we have two different families??????????
That marriage certificate would tell you his occupation at marriage.
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29 Oct 2009 06:40 |
I don't know!!
I'm getting too tired to think straight!
I think I'm going to give up for the night ................ and see what tomorrow brings!
Night night
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Astra
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29 Oct 2009 16:04 |
Just managed to find them in 1871. Hooray. Good old An*****y mis-transcription
Name: Selina Ann Warshalle Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Francis Mother's Name: Jane Ann Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Byron ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Francis Warshalle 38>>>>>>>>.Cordwainer>>>>Born BIRMINGHAM!! Jane Ann Warshalle 52>>>>>>>>>Reads as 32 Frances Warshalle 9 Selina Ann Warshalle 7 Violette Warshalle 5 Halbert Warshalle 3
Jane died in 1901. Cannot find a positive death for Francis.
Name: Jane Ann Marshall Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Year of Registration: 1901 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 59 District: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 193
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Alison
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31 Oct 2009 04:12 |
Ive gone ahead and ordered the marriage certificate of Francis and Jane ann so hopefully that will tell us something. Im sure it isnt the blacksmith family and that the cord wainer family is correct. As for being born in Birmingham, im not so sure that is correct too. Anyway, hopefully the marriage certificate will fill in a few blanks.
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Janet
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1 Mar 2021 18:50 |
I’m violetta marshalls great granddaughter my mother is also violetta [email protected]
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1 Mar 2021 19:08 |
Janet Alison posted this 10 years ago and is unlikely to see your post. Try clicking on her name and send her a message. If she has kept the same email address she should get it.
BUT you must remove your email address as it is against Terms And Conditions.
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