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Janet
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I’m violetta marshalls great granddaughter my mother is also violetta [email protected]

Ive gone ahead and ordered the marriage certificate of Francis and Jane ann so hopefully that will tell us something. Im sure it isnt the blacksmith family and that the cord wainer family is correct. As for being born in Birmingham, im not so sure that is correct too. Anyway, hopefully the marriage certificate will fill in a few blanks.

Just managed to find them in 1871. Hooray.
Good old An*****y mis-transcription

Name: Selina Ann Warshalle
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Jane Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Warshalle 38>>>>>>>>.Cordwainer>>>>Born BIRMINGHAM!!
Jane Ann Warshalle 52>>>>>>>>>Reads as 32
Frances Warshalle 9
Selina Ann Warshalle 7
Violette Warshalle 5
Halbert Warshalle 3

Jane died in 1901. Cannot find a positive death for Francis.

Name: Jane Ann Marshall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 59
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 193

I don't know!!


I'm getting too tired to think straight!


I think I'm going to give up for the night ................ and see what tomorrow brings!


Night night



sylvia

ah!

he says he was born in London!


1861 Census

1861 England Census

Name: Francis Marshall
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, London, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron

Francis Marshall 26 Blacksmith
Jane Ann Marshall 21 Lace Ennir (???)
Selina Clarke 50 b.ca 1811, St Mary's Nottingham, Lodger, Married, Lace Embroideress

Address:-11 Paradise Row

so Selina is a Lodger ...... I would have thought she might be Jan Ann's mother!




aaaaaaaaargh ....................


in 1881, he says he was born in Northamptonshire!


BUT his occupation is also different ... he says he's a CORDWAINER ..... which is a shoemaker


1881 England Census

Name: Frank Marshall
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Badley, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire


There's something wrong here ...... two different birth places, and 2 very different occupations ....... both of which would have required apprenticeships.


I wonder if we have two different families??????????





That marriage certificate would tell you his occupation at marriage.



sylvia

so where are they in 1871?



Alison ... you shoudl buy that marriage certificate, that will give you the names of the two fathers, and where they were lviing at the time of the marriage ...... and thus help us top find Francis before his marriage,



Astra .................. did you notice where it said he was born on those censuses???



sylvia

He married as Francis Marshall Claridge

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)

Claridge Francis Marshall Bakewell 7b 799
Clark Jane Ann Bakewell 7b 799


Bakewell is in Derbyshire


sylvia

Going to move some posts around and try to put it all in order.


1841

Francis Claridge
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Daventry
Hundred: Fawsley
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Daventry
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Claridge 35
Elizabeth Claridge 33
Edmond Claridge 12
Ann Claridge 10
Francis Claridge 8
Richard Claridge 6
Esther Claridge 4
Elizabeth Claridge 2
Emma Claridge 8 Mo


1851

Francis Claridge
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Daventry, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Daventry
Town: Daventry
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members:
Name Age
John Powell 51
Charlotte Powell 47
John Powell 4
Henry Mosely 31
Francis Claridge 19>>>>>>>>>>>>Shoemaker
Thomas Mankie 19
Harry Gardener 17




1861 and he is Francis Marshall and noted as Blacksmith. Cannot figure out why but fairly sure it is the same man because of Selina Clarke who is noted as a boarder but I think she is Jane's mum as per the 1851 for Jane below and Jane also called her first daughter Selina.


Francis Marshall
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, London, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
View image
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 305
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Marshall 26
Jane Ann Marshall 21
Selina Clarke 50

1851 Jane

Jane Ann Clarke
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Selina
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members: Name Age
Selina Clarke
40
Jane Ann Clarke
9
Dorothy Jordon
79
Mary Jordon
45
William Jordan
6


1881

1881

Violetta Marshall
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frank
Mother's Name: Jane A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Beacon Hill
Occupation: Box Maker (Paper)
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Marshall 49>>>>>>>Shoemaker
Jane A. Marshall 39
Selina Marshall 18
Violetta Marshall 15
Albert Marshall 14
Elizabeth A. Marshall 9
Bertha Marshall 7
Clara Marshall 5
Gertrude Marshall 3

1891 and Jane is a widow so Francis must have died between 1881 and 91

Gertrude Marshall
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Ann Marshall 49
Eliza Ann Marshall 19
Bertha Marshall 17
Clara Marshall 15
Gertrude Marshall 13
Rosetta Marshall 6


As for Francis Claridge Senior

It looks as though Elizabeth died in 1852 and Francis Senior re-married to Ann Tilley in 1857

This could be Francis Senior. I can’t find another Francis Claridge in Daventry. From the Criminal Registers. Assault. Fine One Shilling.

Francis Claridge
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Date of Trial: Michaelmas 1834
Trial Year: 1834
Location of Trial: Northamptonshire, England

You really do need to purchase the marriage certificate which Sylvia has posted below to be 100% sure that this is the correct person. Because of the change of name I am not absolutely certain that we are not dealing with two people here especially from 1861. Still cannot find any evidence of him having been in the Army but someone may be able to dig that up for you.

Hi, Can anyone help with some information about Francis Marshall Claridge, born1833, not sure where abouts although he lived in Nottingham once married. He married Jane Ann Clarke in 1860 and had 9 children, Selina ann,( my great grandmother), Francis , Violetta, Albert, Eliza ann,Bertha, Clara, Rosetta and Gertrude. I have part of the family in the 1871 census, and 1991 census although Francis senior is not present as the head of the family. Francis Claridge changed his name to Francis Marshall after the birth of his first 3 children. The first 3 were surnamed Claridge, the remaining children were Marshall. My grandmother told me he was a deserter from the army, hence the name change. Is there anywhere that you can get deserter records? Also can anyone help to find his parents and siblings? I would love to hear from anyone who can help or has a connection with this family.






frncis Claridge changed his name to Francis marshall after the birth of his first 3 childre