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I'm trying to trace James and Patrick Bowling (father and son) who were in the Fulham area around 1868. Patrick was born around this time, but BMD only has records for Fulham from 1875 onwards. Any help appreciated.

What census do you have them on?
Do you have Patricks marriage cert?
Who did he marry,where and when?
What did his father do as an occupation?

Only 1 Patrick Bowling born anywhere in England or Wales on freebmd between 1865 and 1871

Births Sep 1871 (>99%)
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Bowling Patrick Blackburn 8e 443

Patrick Bowling
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Bowling 22
Ann Bowling 19

Patrick Bowling
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Anne Hummerstone
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Oct 1890
Parish: All Saints, Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: James Bowling
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Hummerstone

And only 1 marriage of the same between 1880 and 1910 on freebmd,is this it?

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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BOWLING Patrick Edmonton 3a 371
Carter Kate Amelia Edmonton 3a 371
Golden George Henry Edmonton 3a 371
Hummerstone Anne Edmonton 3a 371

I just spent some time looking fo this and came up with similar results. Nothing in Fulham. Edmonton is north London.

Thanks. I have Fulham middx noted as his birth place in the 1911 census. I have entries for him with Ann - yes that is their marriage - in 1891 and 1901 census, which both state he was born in Middx, but not where. From the census and his marriage certificate I reckon he was born in 1868 and yes there is only one Patrick in the Free BMD records for 1868 and that isn't him as far as I can work out, plus their Fulham records only start from 1875. The marriage certificate shows my Patrick's father as James. The census for 1871 shows that Patrick as the son of someone called Luke and lists the birth place as somewhere in Lancs (Preston?) from memory. I have no idea about James at all as regards occupation. There is a family story of Irish roots, but so far that has proved groundless.

Name: Patrick Bowling
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Anne Hummerstone
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Oct 1890
Parish: All Saints, Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: James Bowling <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<labourer
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Hummerstone

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Yes that is Patrick's marriage. What I need is the birth and can't find anywhere. Does anyone have any idea where to try?

FULHAM REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : London (1875-1965); Greater London (1965-74).
Created : 1.4.1875 (previously part of Kensington district).


Sub-districts : Fulham; Fulham East; Fulham North East; Fulham North West; Fulham South; Fulham West; Hammersmith; Hammersmith St. Paul; Hammersmith St. Peter; Hammersmith North; Hammersmith South.
GRO volumes : 1a (1875-1946); 5C (1946-74).

there's a tree on ancestry that has his name as John Patrick Bowling

so maybe ???

Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
Bowling John Shoreditch 1c 174

1881

John Bowling
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Melton St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Bridget Bowling 40
John Bowling 12

the 1866 birth is wrong as that John Bowling died in 1867

Bridget Bowling
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Melton St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Laundry Woman

Thanks, this is possible, but I still need to find the birth to prove anything. I'v just looked for Kensington and found nothing - that said, I have found a John Boling in1868, so might investigate that.

A marriage for Bridget might also help.

There should only be this thread now. That web link links to an error page.

Strange as this 1891 does state where he was born & there is only 2 Patricks that come up

Patrick Bowling
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Bowling 22
Ann Bowling 19

How do you know they were in Fulham around 1868

The only thing I have is the 1911 census, which lists his birth place as Fulham the 1901 and 1891 both list it as middlesex, when he was married. I cannot find him on previous censuses.

Read up as much as you can on the area

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Fulham/index.html

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Fulham/FulhamHistory.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham

Is the 1891 one i put on not him then

I know Fulham very well as that is where i come from.