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I have been researching this James Martin so was interested to see the posts. I haven’t been able to find a birth record for him in Shipley or Liverpool. I do have the marriage certificate 19th April1884 for James and Clarie Isabel Grant.
James was a Sergeant in the Army Hospital Corps living in Guards Hospital Rochester Row. She was residing at 2 Parker St Westminster. James’ father is John Martin, a Seaman in the Royal Navy. Her father was Henry Grant, a Messenger. The witnesses were M Boyle and L Honer.
I appreciate previous posts were made in 2014 but hope that with the extra info from the marriage certificate that someone may be able to find a birth for James or marriage for his father John.

I think perhaps the James Melville Martin who died in Ohio is a different chap per his burial:

http://goo.gl/Snbczh

a tree on ancestry has James M Martin dying in 1933


This is their evidence .......................

Name: James M Martin
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Dec 1933
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Aldershot
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 259

could this possible be his death in the US

Name: James Melville Martin
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 30 Nov 1916
Event Place: Crestline, Crawford, Ohio
Residence Place:
Address:
Gender: Male
Age: 57
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Occupation: Jeweler
Birth Date: 17 Jul 1859
Birthplace: Ohio
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Burial Date: 03 Dec 1916
Burial Place: Crestline, O.
Cemetery:
Father's Name: James Martin
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Name: Eleanor Ramsey
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
File Number: fn 66439
GS Film number: 1983838
Digital Folder Number: 004021400
Image Number: 00015

the 1911 Census for more information ..... and he now says he was born in Yorkshire :-)


1911 Census

Name: James Martin
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shipley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Teddington
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 13 Somerset Gardens, Teddington
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Traveller
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 3574

James Martin 50 Traveller for a Bookseller
Clarissa Isabel Martin 46 b.ca 1865, Windsor, Berkshire
Alice Henrietta Martin 21
Clarissa Gertrude Martin 19
Sydney Martin 15
Charles Victor Martin 13
Bertha Elizabeth Martin 12
May Victoria Martin 9
Dorothy Kate Martin 7
Jessie Martin 4



They had 11 children, 2 died, 9 still living


One of the children who died must have been Arthur Edward, baptised in 1890 with Alice Henrietta

1891 Census for information ..........................


Name: James Martin
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Clarris B Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Herne Hill
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 415
Folio: 97
Page Number: 40

James Martin 31 Railway Baggage Registrar
Clarris B Martin 28 b.ca 1863, Widsor, berkshire <<<< ?? probably Windsor
Alice H Martin 1
Frederick Dalton 19 Boarder
John Johnston 28 Boarder




James was born about 1860 .................. NOT in the 1870s :-)



it does help to have the correct information :-)

Two children baptised on the same day in 1890



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Henrietta Martin

Name: Alice Henrietta Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1890
Father's Name: James Melville Martin
Mother's name: Clarise Isabel Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Herne Hill
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers


Address:- 116 Milkwood (??sp) Road
Father occupation:- Ticket Seller



and

Name: Arthur Edward Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1890
Father's Name: James Melville Martin
Mother's name: Clarice Isabel Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Herne Hill
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

hmmmmmmmmmm

he must have been born before 1870 :-)

The marriage was in 1884


Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)

GRANT Clarie Isabel St Geo H Sq 1a 853 S
MARTIN James St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 853

Looking for James Melville Martin born 1870s, possibly in Liverpool.

Wife Claris Isobel Grant.

Possibly a military connection.

Any information welcome.