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Looking for Philip William Verlander born 1808, unknown location.

Went to New York in 1850s.

He was a marriner.

Looking for any information!

1880 US Census

Name: Philip W Verlander
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1880
Event Place: New York, New York, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 72
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Retired Mariner
Race (Original): W
Ethnicity: American
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: England
Birth Date: 1808
Spouse's Name: Mary M. Verlander
Spouse's Birthplace: England
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: England

Self Philip W Verlander M 72 England
Wife Mary M. Verlander F 68 England

In the 1870 census they have a son Henry aged 29 with them, born in New York.

Looking for Philip William Verlander born 1808, unknown location


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How does C Richards know the year of birth?

There must be some other info?

He had children born and baptised in London ................


Henry Philip Verlander 19 Jan 1843 William Philip Verlander,
Caroline Verlander St Botolph without Bishopsgate City of London

Caroline Verlander 14 Sep 1845 Philip William Verlander,
Caroline Verlander St Botolph without Bishopsgate City of London

John Collins Verlander 16 Jan 1848 Phillip William Verlander,
Caroline Verlander St Botolph, Aldgate City of London

??? his marriage



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Philip Verlander

Name: Philip Verlander
Spouse Name: Carolina Tubby
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Feb 1833
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register


The marriage was witnessed by George Verlander and Mary Keeble


Unfortunately the fathers are no shown on these early records.

Caroline might have died in 1847


London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 about Caroline Verlander

Name: Caroline Verlander
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1847
Burial Date: 24 Oct 1847
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph without Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

here's the son Henry in 1851, with his aunt


1851 Census

Name: Henry Verlander
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Michael Cornhill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: London City South
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 1530
Folio: 279
Page Number: 16

Joseph Tubby 77
Maria Tubby 33
Ellen Tubby 44
Henry Verlander 8
Caroline Brook 20
Elizabeth Burton 29
Bridglet Mackinson 28


and this also looks like him in 1861 ........

NOTE:- Son-in-law at this period in time often means Stepson


1861 Census

Name: Henry Verlander
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: 1846
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Piece: 482
Folio: 71
Page Number: 4

James Thornton 45
Elizabeth M Thornton 46
James W Thornton 11
Mary A Thornton 9
Robert P Thornton 6
Sarah J Thornton 3
Henry Verlander 15 Servant

John Collins Verlander


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about John Collins Verlander

Name: John Collins Verlander
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1847
Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1848
Baptism Place: St Botolph Without Aldgate,London,London,England
Father: Phillip William Verlander
Mother: Caroline
FHL Film Number: 380134, 380135



so Caroline must have died shortly after his birth :-(

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U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Philip W Verlander
Name: Philip W Verlander
Residence Year: 1876
Street address: Franklin Ave, N167th
Residence Place: New York, New York
Occupation: Seaman
Publication Title: New York, New York, City Directory, 1876

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Philip W Verlander
Name: Philip W Verlander
Residence Year: 1886
Street address: 1419 Franklin av
Residence Place: New York, New York
Publication Title: New York, New York, City Directory, 1886

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 about Philip W Verlander
Name: Philip W Verlander
Residence Year: 1889
Street address: 1419 Franklin av
Residence Place: New York, New York
Publication Title: New York, New York, City Directory, 1889

Is this relevant?

1870 United States Federal Census about Mary Verlander
Name: Mary Verlander
Age in 1870: 58
Birth Year: abt 1812
Birthplace: England
Home in 1870: Morrisania, Westchester, New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Morrisania
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Phillip Verlander 62
Mary Verlander 58
Henry Verlander 29 - Steamship Steward, born New York

There is no way of knowing if this is the correct Philip Verlander
New York, New York, Marriage Indexes 1866-1937 about Philip Verlander
Name: Philip Verlander
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 10 Apr 1881
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 3237

United States Federal Census about Henry Velander
Name: Henry Velander
Age in 1860: 18
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: England
Home in 1860: Morrisania, Westchester, New York
Gender: Male
Post Office: Mount Vernon

Philip W Velander 52
Mary Velander 48
Henry Velander 18
Jno Velander 14
Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Morrisania, Westchester, New York; Roll: M653_878; Page: 194; Image: 220; Family History Library Film: 803878.

This looks like him:

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: VERLANDER
First names: P
Age: 35
Day of birth: -
Month of birth: -
Year of birth: -
Place of birth: LONDON
County/country of birth: LONDON
Card type: -
Discharge number: -
Identity certificate no.: -
Series: BT112
Date range: 1841-1844
Piece number: 81

The initials on the card are actually PW. Card is dated 11/05/43 so age 35 fits the 1808 birth.

I think this is also him:

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: VERLANDER
First names: PHILIP
Age: 37
Day of birth: -
Month of birth: -
Year of birth: -
Place of birth: COLCHESTER
County/country of birth: ESSEX
Card type: -
Discharge number: -
Identity certificate no.: -
Series: BT112
Date range: 1841-1844
Piece number: 81

Card is dated 1844 so age again looks about right. Seems the ship he was on was the Avon.

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