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Doing better now. The tree is staying open, and is opening Keepsafe in the other window, when I click a photo.

Hi Maurice, I tried to cover as much as I could in my blog, but it did get lengthy and things may not have been clear. I will post this update as a comment on the blog as well. So this response includes your questions and my answers:

Maurice asked * If I enter the Keepsafe file, the photos just seem to be in a random order there and no function to search for one. How do I find one without expending time on sifting through the lot?

My answer :- The photos are by default shown in the order that you last visited them. If you haven't looked at them since you uploaded them, then this will be the order in which you see them, with the most recent first. If you step through the pages of photographs, and view one, it will appear at the front of the Keepsafe next time you visit. With regard to sorting, filtering, or searching for photos within your own Keepsafe, this was a feature we did not have time to include on this first release, but it is high on the agenda to be included in the future. Hopefully this will be near future.

Maurice asked * If I select "private, not shared with anyone", does this stop folks who can see my tree seeing the photo. That is not what I want. But if I select any of the "share with" options, do folks get sent a message? I don't want that either.

My answer :- Photos have always displayed in the tree, and we are not changing this policy. If you share you're tree then members can see large thumbnails of photos, and the title, irrespective of permission level setting. They will not (as before) show for living relatives if living relatives are hidden. The tree view does not display full sized images. The full photo view in Genes is not attached to the tree, and does not apply tree permissions - it applies Keepsafe permissions. If you want everyone that can see your trees to see all your photos in full, you can set the permission level on all photos to "Share with Contacts" and give all Contacts "Access to Keepsafe". Then when they click on a photo in your tree, they will be able to see the full details in Genes. However some people will not want to be so open and share everything, and I'm sure you are well aware of sites that have wrongly made things public online. We have to assume that people who uploaded photos to the tree in the past may not want to share them publicly, and therefore we have tried to give people options to choose what they want to share. So in answer to the first question, yes folk viewing your tree can see large thumbnails. In answer to your second question, no, there are no emails sent to anyone when you change the privacy of a photo.

Maurice asked * What is the difference between "share with everyone" and "share with your contacts"?

My answer :- "share with everyone" means making the item public. Any Genes member can see the item in the search results and click through to see the details (except the Private Notes). A lot of people are quite happy to share openly photos, especially old black and whites. I love to look through the old portraits and building photos posted by other members. I'm sure many people do. "share with contacts" means all members that are in your My Contacts list AND that you have given Keepsafe access to, can view an image you have posted if they click through from the tree or if they discover through the search. You have a separate option to give Keepsafe access. Tree access is handled on its own. (I will blog about this in the near future to help explain why and how, but hopefully this explanation may help in the meantime).

Maurice asked * Which one lets everyone who can see my tree see every photo, which is what I want?

My answer :- Please see my comments to first question at the top.

Maurice asked * Why are my existing photos showing in Keepsafe as attached to a person, but under "relatives", for the same person I get "You have not added any photos of ... to Keepsafe" ?

My answer :- That sounds odd. Can you send me a PM with the exact details of a photo in question. If you see in Keepsafe a relative listed under the photo, and you click on that relative, it should take you to the profile page and show the same item in their list.

Maurice asked * and how do I do this nodes thing? Can't find a link for it anywhere.

My answer :- You are referring to cropping I presume. If you View (not Edit) a photo, the Crop option is a button underneath the photo. When you click on Crop it will load up a modal and the crop nodes will be on the outline of the photo. (I am doing some how to videos to demonstrate some of the new features)

Maurice asked * To even read the notes on a photo now, let alone do anything to it, I have to click on it which takes me out of the tree, onto the Keepsafe edit page for the photo. It is maddening beyond endurance that when I then back screen back into the tree, it does not return to the tree position for the person who I was looking at, it reloads the tree back to its starting point and I have to find the person again, which costs unnecessary time. Philmoir, if it is staying that way then this has been an absurdly inconvenient change that will greatly slow down all our work, no matter what other benefits it may introduce.

My answer :- I would recommend taking a look at the profile and the various options and tabs it offers. If you are working on one person, then this provides more focus. There are edit options dialogs on the profile overview, you can work on the tree directly for that person in the family tree tab, and there is a link at the bottom which lets you jump directly to the full tree focused on that person. Note that there is a button in the tree to let you jump directly back to the profile for a person, so you can jump between the two. My advice is that the profile Keepsafe option is better for viewing your Keepsafe items, and editing them, etc. You can also set the profile photo from here. Give the profiles a go, you may find you can actually do some things quicker here.

I hope this helps.

THREE TIMES now, GR help has not answered the questions of:

+ Which privacy setting for the pictures will make them visible to everyone who can see my tree?
+ When I choose any of the settings to save them, does anyone get sent a message?

I have been a member for 7 years and never known a repeated non-answering pattern like this before. Philmoir what do you believe the answers are?

Phil,

Maurice is right about opening a photo from in one's tree. I get a wee message saying it's "photo has been opened in another windows" (sic) - but actually it opens in the same window and, effectively closes down my tree, which I then have to reopen - and, of course, it reopens at the 'home person' not at the one I had been looking at.

I like the Keepsafe - it's a good addition to GR. Now it's time to start sorting out all those isses that have been raised about the tree itself! ;-)

GR itself did not answer these at my first time of asking. In fact its answer consisted of a repeat of the instructions on how to upload new photos, which was not what I was asking at all.

* If I enter the Keepsafe file, the photos just seem to be in a random order there and no function to search for one. How do I find one without expending time on sifting through the lot?

* If I select "private, not shared with anyone", does this stop folks who can see my tree seeing the photo. That is not what I want. But if I select any of the "share with" options, do folks get sent a message? I don't want that either.

* What is the difference between "share with everyone" and "share with your contacts"?

* Which one lets everyone who can see my tree see every photo, which is what I want?

* Why are my existing photos showing in Keepsafe as attached to a person, but under "relatives", for the same person I get "You have not added any photos of ... to Keepsafe" ?

* and how do I do this nodes thing? Can't find a link for it anywhere.

* To even read the notes on a photo now, let alone do anything to it, I have to click on it which takes me out of the tree, onto the Keepsafe edit page for the photo. It is maddening beyond endurance that when I then back screen back into the tree, it does not return to the tree position for the person who I was looking at, it reloads the tree back to its starting point and I have to find the person again, which costs unnecessary time. Philmoir, if it is staying that way then this has been an absurdly inconvenient change that will greatly slow down all our work, no matter what other benefits it may introduce.

It happens to the best off us ;-)

Despite me writing the longest blog of my life, I realise there are still things missing out of it. Over the next couple of days I am going to publish one specifically about tagging and attaching relatives. And also I didn't mention that the tree had some updates too. Cousins can now marry (in the tree), and profile photos are displayed when they are selected.

Same here! I'd been looking for a box something along the lines of 'Add to another relative'

There are a lot of new things to explore and find out how to use, but if they can be mastered it makes our trees look far more interesting.

Yes that worked.
It's really a very good update to the Genes site.

Hi Detective and Ken, if you want to add a photo to more than one person it is quite straightforward. Click on 'edit' on the photo want to use. In the edit mode, on the right hand side you'll see a box called 'attached relations'. Start typing in the name of the person you'd like to attach it to and then repeat that process to add other names. Once you have added all the names you'd like to attach the photo to click on 'save' at the bottom to save the changes you have made.

You can see the photo against each person in your tree and also on the their profile pages. If you wanted to you crop that photo to make individual profile photos for each person. All the details can be found either in Phil's blog or in our help pages.

Kind regards,

Estelle

Yes I've been stumped by that as well, DetEcTive.

Phil - How do you attach previously up-loaded photos to other relatives?

For instance, one may have a photo of a couple (or as in your Blog illustration at a family dinner) previously uploaded and attached to only one relative. How do we now attach it to others?

Although I can see the paper clip linked to the original person in the Keepafe, there isn't an obvious link on that or on edit to attach to someone else

Hi AlmaIrene, I am sorry that the "frame's" concept has been removed. Maybe if there is enough demand, this would be something that we reinstate. With regard to putting photo's on personal records, this is one of the key areas we have improved. In the past you had to upload a family shot once for every person in the photo. Now you upload it once and link all your relatives. It appears in ALL their personal records. Have a read of my blog for more details of what we have done and how it will help make your hobby (and mine) more fun. Give it a go. You may like it. ;-)

You can still put your photo's in your tree attached to any individual/personal record, Under the photo's section in the details panel

Roy

Why the Heck can't GR leave well alone
Firstly I cannnot see my family photo's in the frame of my choice
and now you won't let me put their photo on their personal record
you want in a keepSAFE which is just as bad as an old shoebox in the cupboard
I am getting really fed up with all these stupid changes it''s turning a nice hobby into a druge
AlmaIrene