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Not sure about total strangers.
Two 2nd cousins were total strangers to me when I first heard of them.
Now we are really good friends & are in contact every day.

I have no problem with cousins or second cousins, where we share the same gt grandparents...but I object to complete and utter strangers to the family taking our family photos

An interesting debate the rights and wrongs I have pondered over before.
I am lucky enough to have inherited a few family photos. Some I have posted on ancestry because I feel I ought to share them if they are of a family group. Part of me feels 'they're mine' so you can't have them but are they really 'mine'? I didn't take the photographs, I'm just the lucky recipient. My grandfather was one of 7. He was the eldest child, so was my father and then me so I think that's how I've got them.
That's an awful lot of cousins who have every moral right to a copy.
I'm not saying I'm right. Just have a think about 'ownership'!

The reference given by Calhame is for US law. Does anyone know if UK/EU law is different? I seem to remember a news article the other day about it now being legal to transfer CD contents to your PC where previously it was technically illegal.

If you want to put photos on here or Ancestry but don't want them taken without permission then do what a friend did, which was to put a watermark on the photos. Simply and easily done using photo editing software

She used something like 'copyright J Bloggs' across hers. It is faint but can be seen and seems to have detered people from just taking them, although if they can prove a connection she is happy to send a copy to them providing they agree to it not being posted.

But with some trees I have seen on Ancestry where it is so obvious they have gone into the realms of fantasy about ancestors who is to say that the photos attached are actually who they are!!

Thanks Calhame, that is what I was alluding too, if you have the owner's approval all well and good...but I suspect people sometimes don't understand what can happen to things placed on sites without their express knowledge.

Hi, just my two cents worth, I think that if people put a photo on the internet and say go ahead use it, I think that is fine, so long as you have at least sought the owner's approval first. I think it is a matter of courtesy let alone anything else.

I actually think that there are a lot of people of people who place things on sites without undertsanding clearly what they are doing.

Dickie Sylvia was expressing her views which she is entitled too as are we all, so you can't really ask people not to comment on a thread that you are seeking feedback and support from. Asking people if they have been placed on Sylvia's pinching list is a bit inflammatory don't you think?

I agree with Sylvia here

I have a private tree on ancestry not many photos but they are directly related to me.

I would like to share one photo with a couple of second cousins, but their trees are public and I know of a couple of people who are no way related who will take this photo also.

Why should people who do not have a direct connection have a photo of my grandparents? and in this case one of my gt grandparents?

If these people want to have a tree with 26,000 plus and claim my family too....fine... but they are not having my photos aswell

I did notice that one photo my second cousin has with my father in has been attached to a living person and can not be taken without permission. I wonder if this can be done for the rest of the photos? doubt it

jax

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now why on earth would you ban such a nice person as me from your thread???



That really is a first for me!



I'm chuffed!



and as you can see, I don't obey orders, either!



sylvia

You have clearly misunderstood me also.You certainly have not upset me rather baffled me as you now appear to be arguing my point at me? I am confused and equally, I will not be reporting you for abuse or for causing offence. Infact, I would be most grateful if you ceased commenting futher on what I believed began as a positive thread.
Thankyou so much - I wish you all the best in your future seaching
Regards
R J Miller

Geeez


I think I upset Dickie!!



and I really do not think that I deserve such a diatribe!


Good job I'm in a good mood ...... or you might have got the other side of my tongue after what you've said!:-P



I think it is entirely upto ME whether or not I want to share photos or not.


In point of fact, I do share photos, I just do not put them on an open forum, where they can be accessed by anyone on the site, or who googles.

I share photos with people who I have developed a relationship with, and who I know are genuinely related to me and mine.


The acquiring of photos by unrelated people is what I call pinching and stealing


................ and those are the people who take the whole tree when their aunt's mother's second cousin was the third cousin of my uncle-by-marriage's aunt 4 generations back.



As you can tell .... I do not appreciate what you said!



and I think you have badly misunderstood what I said earlier!


however, I will not report you for abuse :-D




sylvia

I'm guessing Sylvia, because you clearly dont wish to share your photographs with anyone who may share a relative with you from your tree? If it wasnt for the mutual SHARING,..not 'pinching' or 'stealing' of others documents and photographs, I wouldnt have been able to put names to faces. This is a particularly pleasing and exciting element of researching your tree. Thanks Margee and ken...and Ken, once photographs are put on a public forum for others to view and share, they are giving permission for you to SHARE them if you so wish, hence the reason why you are given the option to make your tree public for open viewing or private/hidden. Those who choose to make their details private, like Sylvia, need not term members who make public their Tree/photos on Ancestry 'Pinchers'. Its not only offensive but absolutely unnecessary. Glitter baby - you are welcome to share any of my photos hence the reason I have made them available to other members if they wish to copy them. I dont know exactly what your were trying to prove. Does this mean you are now officially placed on Sylvia's 'Pinching' register?.... Keep sharing Ken. I've found from experience that by sharing info and helping others, you will always recieve the same in return... :-D

so guess why I do NOT have any photos loaded on ancestry. And only 1 at a time on here :-D

I quite agree Margee.

I have hardly any photos of my Genes Tree mainly because I am not sure what right I have to the photos. Those snaps I have inherited may just be copies. Do my siblings or cousins have to give permission? Some photos are taken by professionals over 50 years ago, how do I get permission to scan and use them? How does copyright law affect photos?

Ken

"Stealing photos"???
I think if someones posts a photo on an open forum it's free to anyone who wants to make a copy. If you want to keep your photos private don't post them on an open forum.

dont quite understand the responses here. My RELATIVE shared photo's via another site that others had made public and given permission for us to use. How is this 'pinching' or 'stealing when they are willingly sharing? If I am missing something, do tell me as I do not, would not and have not 'pinched' or 'stolen' anything in my life!

Well it is quite easy to "steal" the pictures used as avators on this site anyway

Just tried it on yours Dickie without your permission

But will not be keeping it as of no interest to me

otherwise known as "pinching" or "stealing" photos without asking permission :-D

It would be great if on the photos section you could specify a name to match to photos rather than going to every page searching. They have one on ancestry and a relative of mine was able to share and download lots of family photos and the 'search name' function sped up the process. RJ Miller