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Re Berwickshire Militia in Suffolk -

this may have been posted already on one of the many other threads.
I can't be bothered to look.


"At that time, in 1813, one in every 12 Lodges operated via a Military Warrant, which gave them an ability to work their Lodge wherever they were garrisoned. . . . . .

In 1780, The Berwickshire Militia was granted a Military Warrant by the Antient Grand Lodge of England to Consecrate the Hirsel Lodge No 237.

We know for definite that the last Recorded meeting place of the Hirsel Lodge was in 1811 when the Berwickshire Regiment of Militia was stationed in the Town of Woodbridge on the Suffolk Coast. . . . .

. . . . .We also know, for definite, that on the 2nd of March 1811, for whatever reason, possibly because it had been lost on some battlefield or other, the Berwickshire Militia submitted a petition to the Antient's Grand Lodge for a new Warrant and this would be granted under the Number 237B – which appears to confirm that it was a replacement rather than a new Warrant. . . . . .

. . . . We also know for certain that on the 24th March 1811, the Secretary of the Hirsel Lodge wrote to the Grand Secretary of the Antients Grand Lodge, informing him that the Berwickshire Militia were expected to relocate and hoped that the Warrant be issued as soon as possible.

Correspondence records held at the Grand Lodge of England indicates that the Regiment and therefore the Hirsel Lodge was in Edinburgh during 1812 and Kilmarnock in 1813."

https://www.lodgestjohn280.co.uk/gallery

National Archives search parameter: Berwick Militia


Date: 1639-1810
Held by: Scottish Borders Archive and Local History Centre, not available at The National Archives
Other reference: See NRAS 0435
NRA catalogue reference: NRA 13497 Berwick County Lib

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WO 13 - War Office and predecessors: Militia and Volunteers Muster Books and Pay Lists
Berwickshire
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Reference: WO 13/154

Also

WO 13 - War Office and predecessors: Militia and Volunteers Muster Books and Pay Lists

WO 13/154 1803
Berwickshire

WO 13/155 1804
Berwickshire

WO 13/156 1805
Berwickshire

WO 13/157 1806
Berwickshire

WO 13/158 1807
Berwickshire

WO 13/159 1808
Berwickshire

WO 13/160 1809
Berwickshire

WO 13/161 1810
Berwickshire

WO 13/162 1811
Berwickshire

WO 13/163 1812
Berwickshire

WO 13/164 1813
Berwickshire

WO 13/165 1814-1821
Berwickshire

WO 13/166 1822-1830
Berwickshire

WO 13/167 1831-1854
Berwickshire

WO 13/168 1855
Berwickshire

WO 13/169 1856-1859
Berwickshire

FamilySearch has the following information (which may be duplicated and requires verification)

John Mc Alpine
Male
about 1786 – before 1861

Birth of Child • Age 24
George McAlpine
1810
Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom

Birth of Child • Age 27
Elizabeth McAlpine
1813
England, United Kingdom

Birth of Child • Age 30
Jane Mc Alpine
1816
Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom

Birth of Child • Age 32
Margaret Mc Alpine
10 March 1818

Birth of Child • Age 39
Stewart Cowie McAlpine
11 June 1825
Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland, United Kingdom

There are also the following entries

Name George McCalpen
Sex Male
Father's Name John McCalpen
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Margaret Donaldson
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 11 Feb 1810
Event Place Woodbridge, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom

and from FMP ***Note spelling of surname*****

Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Suffolk, England

First name(s) George
Last name McCalpen
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Baptism year 1810
Notes late DONALDSON
Baptism date 11 Feb 1810
Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 4)
Parish St Mary
Entry number 50/2
Place Woodbridge
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
County Suffolk
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Relationship Son
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Berwick Militia

The National Archives has the following result

Reference: ADM 27/1
Description:
Allotment registers recording the sending of wages to next of kin by warrant officers, ratings and Royal Marines from ships named A-T, as listed below commencing from 1795:
HMS Britannia: page 234.

"This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded.
You can order records in advance to be ready for you when you visit Kew. You will need a reader's ticket to do this. Or, you can request a quotation for a copy to be sent to you.
Book a visit -Request a copy"

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1381652

The Renfrewshire record is a baptism.
Burt it's only a suggestion.

All we know is that John was born in Scotland, but not in West Lothian.
Such old parish records haven't all survived.

This marriage are you saying it was in Renfrewshire or is that a birth ?
I don't think they are mine

The spelling is different each time I find anything and as the Scottish name their children I'd expect a boy to be Alexander and a Girl Rachel But they don't appear

A friend that I've been doing the McAlpine side is going to Suffolk Library as that is where she got the Birth for George 1810 and the Militia details

as when George was born John was serving there

Thank you for your help again

I'm no good at linking things together sorry

I took note of the actual spelling of the man's name on the marriage record on SP................


...........................AND........................................

MCCALPIN
JOHN
ALEXANDER MCCALPIN/RACHAL MASSON FR995 (FR995)
M
23/07/1787
559
30 / 59
ABBEY (Renfrewshire)

NOT saying it's definitely the right man, of course!!!

and...........you could have found this yourself, Sylann ;-) ;-) ;-)

ALL of your old threads can be found by looking under ‘My threads’

YOU may not keep your old records, but GR do.........and asking over and over for the same info is not good.

ALSO…….Try googling. ‘Berwickshire Militia’

Neither John nor Margaret was born in West Lothian, if 1841 is accurate

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1355590 where link given to -http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=504458.0

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1273000 - names of some other children on this thread

Various other threads about members of the family.

It might be a good idea to keep hold of your old enquiries and at least give their reference details when you post to save people looking up the same information over and over again. Members look for background when helping to answer queries

Another GR thread in 2015:


https://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1355590

Link to a Rootschat thread about this man:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=504458.0

On SP, there is no baptism of any John McAlpine (or alternative spelling) anywhere in East Lothian, 1760-1790

some of the children to the couple -

MCALPIN
JOHN
JOHN MCALPIN/MARGARET DONALDSON FR3872 (FR3872)
M
23/02/1823
668
120 / 23
LINLITHGOW
VIEW (6 CREDITS)
ORDER CERTIFICATE


MCALPIN
MARGARET
JOHN MCALPIN/MARGARET DONALDSON FR1777 (FR1777)
F
22/03/1818
668
40 / 716
LINLITHGOW
VIEW (6 CREDITS)
ORDER CERTIFICATE


MCALPIN
STEWART COWIE
JOHN MCALPIN/MARGARET DONALDSON FR3879 (FR3879)
F
26/06/1825
668
120 / 36
LINLITHGOW
VIEW (6 CREDITS)
ORDER CERTIFICATE

Have you found any others - the names might give a clue to John and Margaret's parents if they "followed" the Scottish naming pattern

Your possibly right as I said I've been on this for year
This last bit of info I only got last week , I thought their would be some one who really knows about the military , with access into military sites
I don't keep old enquiries

Title of 2021 thread is 1851 census McAlpine

Can’t post link as I’m on iPad

Previous thread in 2017:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1368789

The marriage - name spelt McAlpin again

MCCALPIN
JOHN
MARGARET DONALDSON/FR2158 (FR2158)
18/09/1807
709
60 / 405
HADDINGTON

FMP shows I've looked for these records before.

the 1841 census you refer to -

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John McAlpin Male 55 1786 Scotland
Margaret McAlpin Female 55 1786 Scotland
Stewart McAlpin Male 15 1826 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Archibald McLean Male 20 1821 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Archibald Crooks Male 20 1821 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland

I have a 4 gr grandad ?who served in the Berwickshire militia he married in 1807 Haddington on his marriage certificate it say so, In 1810 he had a son whilst they were "fighting " in Suffolk On his birth certificate it says His father was in the Berwickshire Militia service number SB 728 rank Landsman unit HMS Britannia

Can anyone help me to find anything more about him I've been on it for years and every so often I get a bit of info like this but it doesn't take me any where cause I don't know the next step

I'm trying ti=o find out where he was born his parents ? in the 1841 census he was in linlithgow west lothian aged 55 stating he was born in Scotland but not in county
His name John McAlpine married to Margaret Donaldson

It would be great if some one can help

Thank you Sylvia