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Ok thank you Erika.

That is an Ancestry transcription

What did you go on to find out who lived at that address at that time just by entering the address?

This family were at 50 Spon Street in 1911.

Frank Williams
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frank Williams
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Coventry, Midland
Civil Parish: Coventry
Country: England
Street Address: 50 Spon St Coventry
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Fish Merchant
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration District: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 18524
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Williams 41
Mary Ann Williams 43
Francis Walter Williams 13
Louisa Mary Williams 10
Margaret Ellen Williams 8
Joseph Henry Williams

Thought you had to show identification when you got married. The register is wring on my nans year of birth it says 1918 but she was born 1916. The address on marriage certificate is 50 spon Street Coventry

His birth year on 1939 Register (not a census) is probably accurate. It matches the death registration I gave you

He lied about his age when he married.

Still not sure why you say he was born in Warwickshire, as no records have yet been found which give birthplace info, and your original thoughts about his birth year were wildly inaccurate

'Deceased' fathers on marriage certs were sometimes fictitious

You need to see if you can find Joseph in any census prior to his marriage

Try looking for him yourself at:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/

What was his declared address on the marriage cert?

I know it was Warwickshire now know it may not have been Birmingham as received the wrong information. His father was deceased but it says he was a farm labourer. Witnesses were n stagg and Charles gerrygrove.

You stated that Joseph was born in Birmingham. What is the source of that info, please , as you didn't know when he was born?

Whats was his father's occupation? Or was he 'deceased' when Joseph married?

Who were the witnesses?

1939 records are closed because the person was born less than 100 years ago, and their death hasn't been picked up

Easy to find info if you google


The records of people who are younger than 100 and still alive, or who died after 1991, are officially closed, to protect the privacy of individuals and their families.28 Jul 2017

Erika do you know why a record would be closed?

Yes thank you, his year of birth seems wrong on the census though 1861 as i made it 1866 as he was 46 when he married but i know the other names he lived with.

Have you taken note of all the info I posted?

He was a bachelor when he married in 1912 aged 46 occupation says warehouseman marine stores. Then in 1916 on my nans birth certificate his occupation says sergeant 1st worcestershire regiment.

Ogburn
Rose Elizabeth
1916 - 2002
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Goff
Rosie Elizabeth Irene
1939 = 2013
United Kingdom Deaths 2007-2017
Gosport, Hampshire, England

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1389958

Name: Grace E Harris
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Mother's Maiden Name: Hammings

Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Harris James Hemmings Fareham 2b 1056


1939
65 King Street, Portsmouth, Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England
Joseph Harris 02 Oct 1861 Male Retired Tailor Married 206 1
Elizabeth Harris 20 Oct 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 206 2
James Harris 26 Sep 1920 Male General Labourer Single 206 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Grace (Eileen) Swinscoe (Harris) 12 Feb 1927 Female At School - 206 5
Rose E Ogburn 30 Jan 1918 Female Cafe Work Married 206 6
The record for this person is officially closed.
Rosie Goff (Ogburn) 26 Jun 1939 Female Under School Age Single 206
2 further closed records

Name: Elizabeth Harris
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1891
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun 1974
Registration District: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 1053

Name: Joseph Harris
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: abt 1861
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1947
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 425

This looks likely to be the one whose info I posted above

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Spring Hill, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

William T Gardner Head Married Male 29 1862 Labourer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Helena Gardner Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Alice E Gardner Daughter - Female 10 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Helena Gardner Daughter - Female 6 1885 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Nellie Gardner Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ada Gardner Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Mary A Dimes Niece - Female 7 1884 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Harris Father In Law Widower Male 56 1835 Bicycle Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Harris Brother In Law Single Male 25 1866 Discharged Soldier Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

NOT your man.

Name: Joseph Harris
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1866
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun 1951
Registration District: Meriden
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 742

What was Joseph's occupation when he married?

Was he a bachelor?

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Name: Joseph Harris
Enlistment Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1867
Birth Place: Alcerter, Warwick, England
Enlistment Year: 1885************************
Regiment: Worcester Regiment
Regimental Number: 1409
Attestation Paper: Yes

NO other military info for this man

As stated above, 70% of records for WW1 were destroyed

Hi Kath, his father's name was also Joseph.