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Well, that was a waste of time.........................and effort.

Amy re-married

Name: Amy Beatrice Cranfield
[Amy Beatrice Pell]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 47
Birth Date: abt 1881
Marriage Place: Romford, St Edward The Confessor, Essex, England
Marriage Date: 11 Aug 1928
Father: Stephen Henry Pell
Spouse: Ted Parmenter

Ancestry thinks James R's death is this one....

Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
Cranfield James R 43 Whitechapel 1c 313

1939

23 Queen Street, Romford, Romford M.B., Essex, England
Ted Parmenter 19 Dec 1873 Male Jobbing Gardener Married 20 1
Ammy B Parmenter 12 Apr 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 20 2
Edward G Parmenter 25 Jun 1901 Male Jobbing Gardener - 20 3
Grace E Parmenter 18 Jul 1905 Female Daily Domestic Servan Married 20 4

First name(s) AMY B
Last name PARMENTER
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1884
Age 84
Death quarter 1
Death year 1968
District Havering
County Essex
Volume 5C
Page 177

James Robert changed his name for 1911 census

Name: James Robert Ripping
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Northamptonshire
Civil Parish: Hornchurch
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 55 Douglas Road, Romford
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Repairer
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Hornchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 9938
Household Members:
Name Age
James Robert Ripping 41
Amy Beatrice Ripping 30
George Rell 18
Amy Beatrice Ripping 2
James Robert Ripping 1

Name: Amy Beatrice Pell
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1881
Marriage Date: 22 Sep 1907
Marriage Place: St Mark, Victoria Park, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Stephen Henry Pell
Spouse: James Robert Cranfield

CRANFIELD, AMY BEATRICE PELL
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 259

CRANFIELD, JAMES ROBERT PELL
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 616 Occasional Copy: A

Name: Dorothy Alice Cranfield
Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1915
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Romford, St. Andrew' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: James Robert Cranfield
Mother: Amy Besbrice Cranfield

Jennifer's direct line

CRANFIELD, WILLIAM RIPPON (MMN) RIPPON
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 226

Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Cranfield William Wellingbro 3b 263
Rippon Frances Wellingbro 3b 263

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Goodyers Yard, Peterborough St John the Baptist, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England

William Cranfield Head Married Male 48 1833 House Carpenter Eaton Socon, Bedfordshire, England
Francis Cranfield Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Lincolnshire, England
Sarah Cranfield Daughter Single Female 17 1864 - Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England
William Cranfield Son Single Male 15 1866 Errand Boy At The Shop Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
James Cranfield Son Single Male 13 1868 - Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Cranfield Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Georgina Cranfield Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Louisa Cranfield Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
FMP alerts me to my having accessed this family's census records in the past................

These are births for 'Herbert' 1894+/- 1 year

CRANFIELD, HERBERT HARWOOD
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in BRADFORD Volume 09B Page 142
CRANFIELD, HERBERT PEACOCK
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in CAXTON Volume 03B Page 440
CRANFIELD, HERBERT JOHN GRIFFITHS
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 456
CRANFIELD, HERBERT LEO DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 227

Not sure why I'm bothering - Jennifer didn't have the courtesy to respond to my PM!

PM sent asking for more info. Opened - not acknowledged

The medical record posted above is for a HUGH Cranfield

First name(s) Hugh
Last name Cranfield
Age 24
Birth year 1892
Service number 51583************************************
Regiment Royal Fusiliers
Year 1916
Residence town Flitwick
Residence county Bedfordshire
Residence country England
Series WO 363

First name(s) Herbert Thomas
Last name Cranfield
Service number 554326
Rank Rifleman
Regiment London Regiment
Battalion 16th (County of London) Battalion (Queen's Westmin
Battalion details -
Residence Hampstead
Birth place Biggleswade, Beds.
Enlistment place Hampstead
Death year 1917
Death day 12
Death month 3
Cause of death Died
Death place Home
Theatre of war Home

BUT........................correct info is on CWGC site

Rifleman
CRANFIELD, HUBERT THOMAS
Service Number 554326

Died 12/03/1917

Aged 29

16th Bn.
London Regiment (Queen's Westminster Rifles)

Son of Mr. and Mrs. J. T. Cranfield, of Vane House Lodge, Rosslyn Hill, Hampstead, London. Born at Biggleswade, Beds.

AND on freebmd

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
CRANFIELD Hubert Thomas Biggleswade 3b 358 S

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
Cranfield Hubert T 29 Croydon 2a 504

That Herbert was born in 1888 - Jennifer's relative allegedly in 1894, as stated earlier

We need feedback from Jennifer - the Cranfields I have identified in her tree apart from Herbert, whose birthplace she hasn't recorded - are from Leicestershire

1911 Census For England & Wales

299 Edenfield Road Norden Near Rochdale, Norden, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Emma Jackson Moorhouse Head Single Female 25 1886 - Norden Lancs
Lucy Jackson Moorhouse Sister Single Female 23 1888 Weaver Fustian Cotton Norden Lancs
Susanna Jackson Moorhouse Sister Single Female 20 1891 Weaver Fustian Cotton Norden Lancs
May Jackson Moorhouse Sister Single Female 14 1897 Laundress Norden Lancs

1939
380 Fog Lane, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lucy Cranfield 10 May 1888 Female Shop Keeper Grocer Widowed 9 1
Beryl Camm (Cranfield) 30 Jul 1915 Female Shop Assistant Grocer Single 9 2
Albert (Herbert) Cranfield 22 Jan 1917 Male Biscuit Salesman Single 9 3

BERYL
Last name CRANFIELD
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Jackson
District Rochdale

HERBERT
Last name CRANFIELD
Birth year 1917
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Jackson
District Rochdale

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Moor House View, Edenfield Road, Spotland, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Jackson Head Single Male 44 1847 General Labourer Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Moorhouse Lodger Single Female 35 1856 - Padiham, Lancashire, England
Mary E Moorhouse Daughter - Female 7 1884 - Lancashire, England
Emma Moorhouse Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Lancashire, England
Lucy Moorhouse Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Lancashire, England
Susannah Moorhouse Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Lancashire, England

Name: Susannah Jackson
Baptism Date: 4 Jan 1891
Baptism Place: Norden, St Paul, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: S Pauls Church Norden
Search Photos: Search for 'Norden, St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Jackson
Mother: Martha Elizabeth Jackson
Reference Number: L249
Item Number: 1
Archive Roll: 900

Name: Lucy Jackson Moorhouse
Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1888
Baptism Place: Norden, St Paul, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: S Pauls Church Norden
Search Photos: Search for 'Norden, St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Jackson Moorhouse
Mother: Martha Elizabeth Jackson Moorhouse
Reference Number: L249
Item Number: 1
Archive Roll: 900

HERBERT
Last name CRANFIELD
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1911
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


HERBERT CRANFIELD married one of these people

Lucy J Moorhouse, Edith Wild
District Rochdale

1911 Census For England & Wales ?????????????

13 Shepherd St Norden Near Rochdale, Norden, Lancashire, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Cranfield Head Married Male 48 1863 Labourer General Belcham Otten Essex
Eliza Cranfield Wife Married Female 48 1863 - Chelsea London
Herbert Cranfield Son Single Male 23 1888 Bleach Worker Cotton Rochdale Lancs
Ruth Violet Cranfield Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Bleach Worker Maker Up Chesterfield Derbys
Fred Cranfield Son Single Male 15 1896 Bleach Worker Rochdale Lancs

Herbert
Last name Cranfield
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1888
Baptism date 19 Aug 1888
Residence Friarmere, York, England
Place Friarmere
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Fred
Father's last name Cranfield
Mother's first name(s) Eliza

????
Record Transcription:
British Armed Forces, First World War Soldiers' Medical Records

First name(s) H
Last name Cranfield
Age 24
Birth year 1893
Service number 51583
Rank Private
Corps Royal Fusiliers
Battalion 2nd
Company / squadron Z
Admission year 1917
Admission date 24 Feb 1917
Hospital No 34 Casualty Clearing Station
Description British other ranks.
Transfer year 1917
Transfer date 26 Feb 1917
Country Great Britain
Archive
The National Archives
Piece MH 106/729
Series description War Office: First World War Representative Medical Records of Servicemen
Register type Hospital admission and discharge registers
Record year range 1917 Feb.22-Mar.1

Two births in England/Wales for the name in the time-scale of OP's tree. Both lived beyond end of WW2.

Cranfield
Herbert
1893
1946
1946
Cambridgeshire Burials
Eltisley, Cambridgeshire, England

Cranfield
Herbert
1894
1958
1958
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Only one record on CWGC for the name in WW1


Private
CRANFIELD, HERBERT
Service Number 41494
Died 31/07/1917
Aged 28********************************************************
2nd/5th Bn.
Lancashire Fusiliers
Son of Fred and Eliza Cranfield, of 13, Shepherd St., Norden; husband of Lucy Cranfield, of 7, South Terrace, Norden, Rochdale.


Records on FMP are for the above.

The one in the poster’s tree has a birth year of 1894, but she doesn’t say where, so not much to go on.

Born when? Married?

On which site are the records to which you refer?

What leads you to think your relative was a War casualty?

I presume you're looking at WW1? If so, try looking at who he names as next of kin as that should help narrow the search down. It's usually mother or wife so if you know the family that should help.

I'm looking for Herbert Cranfield. There are two or three military/ armed forces death records. I'm trying to locate the right one for him. Regards Jennifer Kolbe.