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Any information gratefully received re Francis William McDonough, Sergeant in Sarafand , Tel Aviv, British Mandate of Palestine during WW2. He married my aunt, but I dont know any more about him than that.
Many thanks
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Unless you already know his age & the name of his father to trace back, you'd need to order a copy of his MC - name of spouse removed to protect your own privacy
Francis W
Last name McDonough
Sex Male
Marriage year 1941-45
Marriage place Jaffa
Place type Place
Country Israel
Type Consular/Overseas
Source Gro Consular Marriages (1849-1965)
Records year range 1941-1945
Archive reference MCON
Volume 37
Page 200
Line number 78
Order through https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp at a cost of £9.25.
If you're looking for his military records, they'd still be with the MOD. They can be ordered at a cost of £30 with forms from
http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html
They'd be free if he or his widow can sign
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These records come up if he was born in England or Wales - you really need more info to accept or reject. There's probably a number of likely men with the same name, but born/died elsewhere.
Francis William McDonough
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 10
GRO version giving mothers maiden name
MCDONOUGH, FRANCIS WILLIAM mmn PHILIPSON
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in DARLINGTON Volume 10A Page 10
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Chelmsford Street Darlington, Darlington, Durham, England
Alice Hannah McDonough Head Widow Female 32 1879 Durham Stanhope Worker Charwoman
Francis William McDonough Son - Male 5 1906 Durham Darlington
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Death
Francis William McDonough
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 4 Jun 1905
Registration Date: Sep 1982
Registration district: Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Volume: 3
Page: 2060
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The Francis mentioned in the above records, was named after his father.
Parents marriage -
Alice Hannah Phillipson
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 1003
Records on Page:
Name
Francis McDonough
Alice Hannah Phillipson
If Alice was telling the truth that her husband had died, rather than abandoned her, this might be his death
Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
McDonough Francis 40 Prestwich 8d 219
There's no point continuing until you have some firm details. Please buy the MC - that would give his declared age & his father's name. It should also give his military number to help you order his military records
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Thank you so much for your quick and helpful replies.
I do have the marriage certificate but it gives no further details such as military number. It just says he was a sergeant. Name of father - yes. However, I wanted to find out when and where he and my aunt returned to ( I have an address in UK, but no records associated with it and there's other conflicting detail, which makes it difficult to sort things out). No-one is left alive to assist! I can't even find things like electoral records or anything to fill in the large gaps. I can't get his military record as I don't have a military number. So, I was hoping there may be some one searching who may actually have known him!
One lives in hope...
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The best way to contact people is to use Search all member trees, top right under Search. Send a message to anyone listing his name, and that of his father.
If they can access the linked email address, they’ll know you’ve left a message & be able to reply.
GR never delete dormant accounts. People lose interest, change email providers or become too frail or die. You can check if a message had been opened by looking in your GR sent messages box. Unread ones have an envelope icon next to them.
Civilian ships passenger lists are available online up to 1960. However military transport is not. His military records would show his movements including when he was embarked or discharged from service.
As you know the address they went to, you could search the ER. Some are online, others for the likely periods would usually be held by the nearest library with a local studies section. There is likely to be a charge unless you can visit in person.
Unless you have access to passenger lists yourself, helpers would need their yob to identify the correct people. Did they have children while abroad? That would tighten the time frame.
Added hours later - not to worry about service number as long as you have his date of birth. You already have other checking points you can take from the MC. I *think* you should be able to get an unredacted copy of his records if those I posted last night are correct. Not only was he born over 100 years ago, it’s more than 30 years since his death.
A hard copy of the electoral register can only be searched by address. If you don’t have one, you’re stumped. As mentioned, it would be possible to work back from one you may have. At least that would tell you when they first moved in & later, out. You could do the same with the address on his DC.
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Hello Detective.
Thanks again for your posts. It's most odd that I cant find electoral records for their given address ( given on my aunts death certificate etc) - unless of course they didnt bother - one isn't forced to vote in the uK! They lived in Middlesbrough which has problems in that it has been under several different local authority re-organisations and its harder to track down thier address because of that. I have a sneaky feeling things may not yet be on line in the latest Local Authority to have taken over that area.
I shall be looking at the service history when I get chance. I didn't realise I could access them if not a blood relative. So thats a possibility now.
Thanks again
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To track down the ER, you'll probably have to email all the current relevant authorities.
[email protected]
The Central Library has a Local Studies section (& 2 email addresses!)
[email protected]
[email protected]
Start with the Library- they'll be able to tell you if they hold the ER or if not, who does.
If you can't visit in person, they could do search the address on your behalf but are likely to make a charge.
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