Military Chat

hi
my last living aunty before she died told me that my grandad was in the black watch and very proud.
his name James Campbell born 1896 born Dundee Scotland ? meet my nan Bessie Roberts born 1903 killarney,Kerry.Eire in Ireland sometime. then next time I have found them was in 1924 WELLINGBOROUGH Northamptonshire England and the last time they were together was in 1931 Bristol .
this is the back ground I have if it helps I don't have his D.O.B or if they married or his D.O.D as my nan married an Andrew sharkey in 1938 saying she was a spinster and that was in RICHMOND Surrey England
any help I would be very grateful
cheers

Military records after 1922 are still with the MOD. They have to be ordered at a cost of £30.
http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

Mind you, with such a common name & no dob, it'll be difficult job identifying them.

Does their MC give his father's name? It might be possible to find him on the 1901 Scottish census (transcriptions on various sites) or 1911 on Scotlandspeople which is pay to view. That would also hold his birth reg.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

thank you for the info

There must be a gap in the Dundee birth records on Scotlands People.

There is no record of any Campbell being born in Dundee between 1867 and 1943.

Trying a few other common surnames at random -
no Smiths between 1867 and 1922.
No MacDonalds between 1867 and 1952.

However, there are these two. Lochee was a town which gradually became engulfed by Dundee.

CAMPBELL
JAMES
M
1895
282/5 244
Lochee


CAMPBELL
JAMES
M
1896
282/5 21
Lochee

If you register with Scotlands People, and buy the minimum of 30 credits for £7.50, you can view the images of the original documents - 6 credits each.

The cert will give you their parent's names, and the place and date of parents' marriages.

Of course, without more to go on, you still wouldn't know if either of them was your James or not.

Probably one of them - in fact the only possibility showing in 1901 census:

James Campbell
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: James Campbell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: lochee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/5
Registration district: Lochee
Civil Parish: Liff, Benvie and lnvergowrie
County: Angus
Address: 33 Mid St
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 148
LINE: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_104
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Campbell 40
William Campbell 15
James Campbell 5


But you're not sure if he was born in Dundee or not, David?

Have you looked for a marriage in both Ireland & England/Wales?

ANDREW
Last name SHARKEY
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1938
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ANDREW SHARKEY married
>>>>Elizabeth Roberts.<<<<

hi to all a big thanks for your time and help with the information its hard to know were to look and being the other side of the world I cant go to any of the shows to get advice
cheers

David,
Was there any children born between Elizabeth and James Campbell,if so where and any names,dates would help.

Where/when did Elizabeth Sharkey die.?

And do you know her exact date of birth? That might help us to pick out her death from several for women of that name, born c1903.

As she married in Surrey, these might be possible births of Sharkey children, all born in Surrey :

Bridget M, 1938
Robert P, 1939
Shirley, 1940 3rd qr
Kathleen E, 1940 4th qr
John F, 1947
Dorothy A V, 1950

Of course, the two 1940 births can't both be children of the same parents.

Bessie Roberts born 14/04/1903 died 02/02/1976
children
patsy died 1924
daisy born 1926
john born 1930
james born 1931
Shirley sharkey born 1940

"patsy died 1924"

I think you mean Pansy, born 1924 in Wellingborough?

For our reference -

Daisy, John and James were all born in Bristol.

Shirley born in Surrey.

Bessie and Andrew in 1939:

Elizabeth Sharkey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Elizabeth Sharkey
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1903
Residence Year: 1939
Address: ??3 Grove Lane
Residence Place: Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 373
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: CMRC
Registration district: 30-1
Inferred Spouse: Andrew Sharkey
Household Members:
Name
Andrew Sharkey
Elizabeth Sharkey

Here are the children, with JAMES Campbell :

Daisy Campbell
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Daisy Campbell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1926
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 50
Residence Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: At School
Schedule Number: 139
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: OAAR
Registration district: 319/1
Household Members:
Name
James Campbell - 12/03/1885, boot & shoe operative.
Daisy Campbell
Jim Campbell - 1930
Jack Campbell - 1931

???

James Campbell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Campbell
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland
Search Photos:
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 1st Battalion Kings Own Scothish Borders
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: India
Piece: 34990

A different man ??

James Campbell
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: James Campbell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Place: Dundee, Forfar
Age: 19
Document Year: 1904
Regimental Number: 8194
Regiment Name: Connaught Rangers
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 23

Was already in 3rd Royal Highlanders in 1904.
Labourer, mill worker.
5ft 3.5ins, fresh complexion, brown eyes, dark brown hair.

I think it says he was in the Connaught Rangers in Galway, and then in Mullingar.
Then served in Poona, India.

Intended place of residence (on discharge in 1907 ?? ) 7 Mary Street, Dundee.

Then there's a bit about discharge in 1914:
on medical grounds - tuberculosis which had originated in Lochee, Dundee, while on reserve.
Address in 1914: 29 Lorne (or maybe Lorna) Street, Lochee, Dundee.

NOK: sister, Catherine Campbell, 22 Mid Street, Lochee.

EDIT -

Maybe not the right James Campbell.
There's a small note at the bottom of one page which says either "Man died" or "Mum died. More likely "man died" 30/08/1917.

????

James Campbell
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: James Campbell
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Son
Father's name: James Campbell
Mother's name: Margaret Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/4
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 5 Wallace St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 4
LINE: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_93
Household Members:
Name Age
James Campbell 36
Margaret Campbell 36
Jessie Campbell 10
George Campbell 8
James Campbell 6
Isabella Campbell 3
Jane Campbell 1
William Campbell 14

Or another possibility:



James Camble
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: James Camble
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil Parish: Dundee
Town: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: West Port 11
ED: 13
Household schedule number: 11
LINE: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_90
Jessie Camble 36
John Camble 40
Elizabeth Camble 36
Martha Camble 75
Thomas Camble 14
James Camble 6
Susan Camble 3

(and large numbers of other people)

Pansy Campbell, who was born 1924 in Wellingborough, died 1925:

Deaths Mar 1925 (>99%)
Campbell Pansy 0 Bristol 6a 17

Unfortunately James's DOB doesn't help with finding his death.

All the deaths of 1885 James Campbells in England/Wales are just for men born c1885 - no actual date given.
None of them are in Bristol.

If, perhaps, he went back to Dundee later in life, there's this possible death:

CAMPBELL
JAMES
66
1951
282/3 773
St Andrew (Dundee)


But James Campbell is a very common name.