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Just an observation but my grandfather was german too

He anglicised his name but it was obviously German anyway

The german connection never caused any problem tothe family as his children were all born in the uk with a British mother

This was all pre WW1

I was thinking they all have ,,, ???? P Kenhope in heir name apart from Marjorie they all married in the same area .

Edit,

The marriage of Alice P Kenhope to Jonas Whitfield 1926 Jonas appears to be born 1877,so Emily Alice wasnt a young girl and seems the first wife of S H P.?

1939..
7 York Avenue , Urmston U.D., Lancashire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Jonas Whitfield 10 Oct 1877 Refuse Collector Ash Din Of Yarn
***Emily A Whitfield 07 Nov 1879 Unpaid Domestic Duties***
Amy Jones 31 Mar 1877 Retired From Household Duties Pensioner

Interesting - re Florence's marriage to Philip Whyman in 1926 -

then her sister married him in 1928 ???

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Pantland Hilda M Whyman Manchester S. 8d 412
Whyman Philip Pantland Manchester S. 8d 412


EDIT:

Ah! Florence's death;

Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
WHYMAN Florence B 25 Northwich 8a 287

A daughter born Sept qr 1927 Manchester - registered both as Whyman and as Pantland.

Then the birth reg altered in 1929 Manchester, missing out one of the middle names.
That daughter married in 1949, and died 1956.

??? Florence and Vera -

PANTLAND, FLORENCE BLANCHE mms BOND
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 427

PANTLAND, HILDA MAY mms BOND
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 146


PANTLAND, JOHN ARTHUR mms BOND
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 535


PANTLAND, VERA EMMA mms BOND
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 533


Samuel & Emily's marriage is the only likely Pantland/Bond marriage I can see.

This the first of the above marriages;

Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
KENHOPE Alice P Whitfield Barton I. 8c 783
Whitfield Jonas Pantland-Kenhope Barton I. 8c 783


Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
KENHOPE Florence B P Whyman Barton I. 8c 779
Pantland Kenhope Florence B Whyman Barton I 8c 779
Whyman Philip Pantland Kenhope Barton I. 8c 779

The marriage of Joan doesn't give Pantland as an alternative, nor does the one for Vera E P.

There's a marriage for a Marjorie P Kenhope in 1951 - no mention of Pantland.
I don't see the one in 1837 so far.

EDIT:

Vera was probably born Pantland in 1909.


Alice and Florence married in the same quarter of 1926, so were possibly sisters.

15 Repton St Limehouse, Limehouse, London & Middlesex, England

1911 census.

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Sarah E Kenhope Wife Married Separated Female 48 1863 Poplar London Tailoress Vests Transcription
William Kenhope Son Single Male 19 1892 Stepney London Clerk Transcription
Blanche Kenhope Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Stepney London Tailores 9vests Transcription
Samuel Kenhope Son Single Male 10 1901 Stepney London School Transcription
John Pantland Brother Single Male 44 1867 Limehouse London Window Cleaner.


Same man, same service number.down as G instead of C.


G
Last name Kenhope
Service number 4085
Rank Private
Regiment 19th (Princess Of Wales's Own) Hussars
Other regiments/units Unit: 19th (Princess Of Wales's Own) Hussars, Rank: Private, Number: 4085
Biography -
Notes QSA Clasps: DoL
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War Records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain, UK None.
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relation.?



Pantland Kenhope Florence B — — 1926 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England.

also these could have the same Pantland/Kenhope surname..


Kenhope Alice P — — 1926 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England.

Kenhope Florence B P — — 1926 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England.

Kenhope Joan P — — 1935 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Barton, Lancashire, England.

Kenhope Marjorie P — — England & Wales Marriages 1837??.

Kenhope Vera E P — — 1930 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England.


The above don't appear to have births registered in either surname.?

Thank you Kath for the information you forwarded, I knew some of the information but it is always the little snippets that fill in the gaps of which there was a few. As regards Samuel changing his name to Charles Kenhope - I was wondering whether he enlisted under a different name because of his age as he gives his birthdate as 1874 when he joined the Hussars? I am also wondering whether he had to change his name because of a German connection in the family somewhere - which might have excluded him from enlisting? The period when he lived in Stretford - I was aware of as my mother was born there. But I was unaware that he was in the Red Cross or that he was at the Victoria Hospital which think no longer exists. The period when he lived in Sculcoates which is a district of Hull is where he died and where he is buried. As to his nephew - I think he must have returned to his roots in the south - as my grandmother returned to Stretford with her children where she eventually remarried.

Many thanks for the information and I look forward to anything else you find that will throw further light on Samuel.

Michael

This is William Thomas Kenhope's death (transcribed by Findmypast as Kennope but the image is definitely Kenhope. He would be your grandad's nephew and your mother's cousin):-

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) WILLIAM THOMAS
Last name KENNOPE
Gender Male
Birth day 1
Birth month 11
Birth year 1891
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1980
District Hendon
County Middlesex
Volume 13
Page 0526
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

This looks like Sarah in the 1939 register living with her son and his family:-

Kenhope Household (5 People)
Cosy Nook Station Road , Amersham R.D., Buckinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Wm. Thomas Kenhope 01 Nov 1891 Male Insurance Inspector Married 287 1
Grace Kenhope 10 Nov 1894 Female Housewife Married 287 2
Joyce Frost (Kenhope) 05 Mar 1921 Female Secretary Insurance Brokers Single 287 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sarah E Kenhope 28 Sep 1861 Female Retired Ill Health Widowed 287 5

Kath. x

This looks like his sister's death:-

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) SARAH E
Last name KENHOPE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1861
Age 79
Death quarter 1
Death year 1940
District Essex South Western
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 630
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

I wonder if this is where the name change originates. Seems Samuel's sister Sarah married a Kenhope:-

First name(s) SARAH ELIZABETH
Last name PANTLAND
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1891
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SARAH ELIZABETH PANTLAND married
Thomas Mark Kenhope
District Stepney
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Volume as transcribed 1C
Page number 708
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

On the army service records Samuel/Charles gives his next of kin as his brother John Robert and his sister Sarah.

Sarah's marriage was 1891 and Samuel/Charles attested in 1894. Perhaps he decided to use her surname for some reason. ??

Kath. x

Looks as if he volunteered for the Red Cross while he was in Lancashire:-

British Army, British Red Cross Society volunteers 1914-1918 Transcription
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First name(s) Charles
Last name Kenhope
Year 1917
Birth year -
Rank Pte
Address 1221, Twelfth St Trafford Park Manchester
County Lancashire
Country England
Engagement date 30/12/1917
Termination date 28/02/1919
Rank at termination Pte
Hospital Victoria Hospital, Council Street, Stretford
Hours worked Part time 450
Commission East Lancs.
Duties Hospital & Station duty
Addtional information Victoria Hospital Stretford
Archive British Red Cross
Source View the Source Record
Record set British Army, British Red Cross Society Volunteers 1914-1918
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, England
copyright British Red Cross

Kath. x

Looks as if his wife also took up the name Kenhope as they are on the electoral registers in Lancashire in 1921 with the name Kenhope.

In 1922 he is on the electoral register in Sculcoates with the name Charles Samuel Henry Kenhope. Emily is not listed but there is another person with the name Samuel Henry Kenhope.

Kath. x

Seems he assumed the other name before he married.

Looks like his army records are in the name of Charles Kenhope (the record confirms he was at the Battle of Ladysmith):-

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s) Charles
Last name Kenhope
Birth year 1875
Birth parish Whitechapel
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 4085
Regiment 18th Hussars
Year 1894
Attestation date 06 Oct 1894
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 4
Attestation service number 4085
Attestation corps 18th Hussars
Discharge corps 18th Hussars
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 5272
Box record number 172
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict

The images of the records are on Findmypast but I'm unsure of how to copy them to send to you. If no one else gets them for you I will ask my son tonight when he gets home from work and send them to you in a private message.

Kath. x

He may have assumed another name at some point but his death appears to be registered in his real name:-

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) SAMUEL H
Last name PANTLAND
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1876
Age 46
Death quarter 4
Death year 1922
District Sculcoates
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 194
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials

EDIT -

It appears his death was registered in both names :-

First name(s) CHARLES
Last name KENHOPE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1876
Age 46
Death quarter 4
Death year 1922
District Sculcoates
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 194A
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

This marriage record gives a bit more detail (exact date etc.):-

Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Marriages Transcription

First name(s) Samuel Henry
Last name Pantland
Birth year 1876
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date 25 Dec 1901
Place Canterbury, St Peter
Spouse's first name(s) Emily Alice
Spouse's last name Bond
Groom's age 25
Groom's father's first name(s) John Robert
Groom's father's last name Pantland
Bride's age 22
Bride's father's first name(s) Arthur Joseph
Bride's father's last name Bond
County Kent
Country England
Register year range 1837-1992
Archive reference U3/90
Page 160
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Record set Kent, Canterbury Archdeaconry Marriages

Kath. x

This looks like him in the 1891 census:-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Repton Street, Limehouse, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

John R Pantland Head Married Male 57 1834 London, Middlesex, England 1 St Class Letter Sorter G P O
Emma Pantland Wife Married Female 53 1838 London, Middlesex, England -
John R Pantland Son Single Male 25 1866 London, Middlesex, England Sawyer Out Of Work
William F Pantland Son Single Male 22 1869 London, Middlesex, England 3 Rd Class Letter Sorter G P O
Edward A Pantland Son Single Male 20 1871 London, Middlesex, England 3 Rd Class Letter Sorter G P O
Emma M Pantland Daughter - Female 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Sewing Machinist
Samuel H Pantland Son - Male 14 1877 London, Middlesex, England Boy Messenger G P O <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Eliza A Pantland Daughter - Female 11 1880 London, Middlesex, England

and in 1881:-

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21, Repton Street, Limehouse, Stepney, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

John Pantland Head Married Male 47 1834 Middlesex, England Letter Sorter
Emma Pantland Wife Married Female 44 1837 Middlesex, England -
Robert Pantland Son Single Male 21 1860 Middlesex, England Engineer
Sarah Pantland Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Middlesex, England Machinist
John Pantland Son Single Male 15 1866 Middlesex, England Messenger
William Pantland Son Single Male 12 1869 Middlesex, England Scholar
Edward Pantland Son Single Male 9 1872 Middlesex, England Scholar Emma Pantland Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Middlesex, England
Sam Pantland Son Single Male 4 1877 Middlesex, England <<<<<<<<<<
Eliza Pantland Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Middlesex, England

Kath. x

This is his marriage:-

First name(s) SAMUEL HENRY
Last name PANTLAND
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1901
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL HENRY PANTLAND married
Emily Alice Bond
District Canterbury
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Volume as transcribed 2A
Page number 1869
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

If he was still in the army when he married the certificate may give his service number.

Kath. x

I am trying to find information regarding my maternal Grandfather who was stationed at the barracks in Canterbury around 1889 - 1901. He married the daughter of Sgt Arthur Bond who was also stationed at Canterbury around the same time. I am also led to believe that my grandfather also served at the battle of Ladysmith? However later in life he assumed the name of Charles Kenhope the reason why I not sure, If anyone can cast any light on this person I would be very grateful. Thankyou - Michael