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Thankyou once agian
Olive

Looking at the image of the 1939 register, Frederick j has been mistranscribed as 26 Aug 12, when the image says 21 Aug 21.

Tallies with this birth:

Births Sep 1921 Bowler Frederick J Green Nottingham 7b 833

The others listed on the 1939 tally with:

Births Mar 1920 Bowler Florence A Green Nottingham 7b 937
Births Dec 1923 Bowler James W Green Nottingham 7b 694
Births Dec 1925 Bowler Ronald Green Nottingham 7b 686

Freebmd http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

has another 5 Bowler births with mother maiden name Green between 1927 and 1934in Nottingham (4 girls and 1 boy) who are probably the 5 closed records on the 1939 register

Hi
Thankyou you all for all your lastest info

I am surprised how you found Horace James bowler employment records very interesting

I will contact Nottingham Castle tomorrow to find out just what they have

I have found Fredrick Bowlers Army a Records today It states his Mothers name Clara Bowler and his family and wife but not his Father ?
Bye for now
Olive

Full 1911 census for Horace James was posted on 29 Dec.16 @ 16:18 on your other Bowler thread (originally started in 2010 and resurrected on 29 December 2016)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1233229?page=1

You could try contacting the Sherwood Foresters museum based at Nottingham Castle

The Castle Nottingham England NG1 6EL.
Telephone: 0602 465415.
Open: April -Sept 10-4.45. Closed: Closed 25 December.

or
Sherwood Foresters Collection at

RHQ MERCIAN,
Foresters House
Chetwynd Barracks,
Chilwell,
Nottingham
NG9 5HA

Telephone: 0115 946 5415
Email: [email protected]
Website URL: www.wfrmuseum.org.uk

The museum holds a large database of officers and soldiers, made up from information taken from hundreds of documents. Has regimental histories, magazines, newspapers and cuttings, diaries, copies of war diaries, letters, nominal rolls, copies of records of service and more than 13,000 photographs. Archivist Eddie Edwards says they try to respond to research enquiries within 24 hours.

Noticed Horace was a railway guard in the 1939 register. According to the records below, he seems to have worked for the railway more or less from the end of WWI until at least 1939.

(the 'H' of 'Hames' has been overtyped with a 'J' on the image)

Name: Horace Hames Bowler
Age: 27
Birth Date: 11 May 1892
Residence Date: 27 May 1919
Station: Colwick Sidings
Company: London and North Eastern
Description: Returns of staff at stations and depots as at 31 oct. 1939 1939-1940

He is described as a Goods Guard, and was earning £3 5s weekly on Oct 31st 1939.

The birthdate of 11 May 1892 matches that of Horace J 'Bower' in the 1939 register I posted, so pretty certain I have the right family in the 1939 register.

I think this might be Horace James, Frances and family mistranscribed as Bower rather than Bowler, in the 1939 Register:

Bower Household (6 People) 2 Southlea Road , Carlton U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

Frances Bower 27 Mar 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 66 2
Horace J Bower 11 May 1892 Male Railway Guard Married 66 1
Florence A Yeats (Bower) 12 Dec 1919 Male Tobacco Canteen Waitress Single 66 3
Frederick J Bowler 26 Aug 1912 Male Cycle Nickel Plater Single 66 4
James W Bowler 17 Nov 1923 Male Coal Miner Underground Heavy Worker Single 66 5
Ronald Bowler 23 Oct 1925 Male At School Single 66 6

It certainly looks like Bowler on the image of the register. There are 5 closed records following on from the Bowler records above.

Thankyou
I will look tomorrow in Nottingham
Bye for now
Olive

1911 lists all the men at the barracks in Plympton Devon. He's a 20 yr old private who's single and born in Carlton Nottingham.

Hi

Thank you
What does it say on the 1911 Census
I have tried to find him on 1939 Register
Bye agian
Olive

1901 census
20 Virginia St Nottingham it was in Byron Ward area of St Paul's

Name Age
Thomas Bowler 51
Clara Bowler 44
Fredk Bowler 18
Emma Bowler 16
John Bowler 13
Horace J Bowler 9


1911 he's already in the Sherwood Foresters and is in Plympton Devon

Hi
Thankyou once agian
I will look to see if Horace j Bowler is on 1939 Register tomorrow
The picture is fitting together
Bye for now
Olive

Hi
Thankyou once agian
I will look to see if Horace j Bowler is on 1939 Register tomorrow
The picture is fitting together
Bye for now
Olive

Marriage

HORACE J
Last name BOWLER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1919
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HORACE J BOWLER married
FRANCES GREEN
Spouse's last name GREEN
District NOTTINGHAM
District number -
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 1075
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)

His death in 1967

Name: Horace J Bowler
Birth Date: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Dec 1967
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 319

Hi
Did Horace James Bowler survive WW1
Olive

Hi
Thankyou so much for your reply
I have tried to find any records of his WW1 records

Would I be able to find any thing on Find my Past when I go to Nottingham Centeral Library tomorrow

Also He is mention on 1911 Census which I will hopefully find tomorrow
The Genes Community have found me quite a lot on the Bowler Family

Bye for now
Olive

Found his medal roll

Name: Horace James Bowler
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal also 1914 Star

Regiment or Corps: Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment
Regimental Number: 11306

Previous Units: 11306 1st Bn. Notts & Derby R. Pte., 11306 2nd Bn. Notts & Derby R., 11306 9th Bn. Notts & Derby R


The problem is this is the medals roll not his service records. Medal rolls were kept separate to the service records, over 70% of WW1 service records were destroyed by a fire due to bombing in WW2.


:-)

Hi
I am trying to find the WW1 Army Records for
Horace James Bowler born 1892 Nottingham
Father and Mother
Thomas and Clara Bowler
Please
Olive