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Can I have a look up please for Hugh O'Hagan b 1896.
Just curious to see if he is one of my Hugh O'Hagan's born in Glasgow and thought there might be an address or parents names I would recognize on his service records.

I had another thread on a Hugh O'Hagan b 1864 in Ireland re U.S application but it was not "my" Hugh.

thank you

Is this the one you mean:-

First name(s) Hugh
Last name O'Hagan
Age 19
Birth year 1896
Birth town Glasgow
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth country Scotland
Service number 21849
Regiment Highlanders Light Infantry
Unit / Battalion 20th Battalion
Year 1916
Residence town Glasgow
Residence county Lanarkshire
Residence country Scotland
Series WO 363
Series description WO 363 - First World War service records 'burnt documents'

There isn't much at all on the images (mainly blank sheets) but his home address looks like 13 Washington Street, Anderston, Glasgow.

He had a Gun shot wound to his right foot.

His next of kin was his father, John O'Hagan of the same address.

He got the British War Medal and the Victory medal.

He joined up at Hamilton on 11th Jan. 1916.

Looks like he was demobbed in 1919 due to his disability (gun shot wound), to 30 William Street, Glasgow. He was single at the time.

Kath. x

Following number also on first page of documents - 657084

NOK given as Father John O'Hagan of 13 Washington Street, Anderston, Glasgow

Attested Scots Rifles 21849 , transferred to 66 Labour Coy, Labour Corps 657084 8/11/18

Attested January 1916 to 13th Btn Scots Rifles aged 19 years and 5 months
Discharged 13.3.1919 to 30 William Street, Glasgow
Pensioned - GSW Right Foot
Single

A couple of disciplineries for a) missing church parade b) overstaying his pass

Edit - you've added more info Kath since I started looking through the documents. Will leave as there are bits you don't give.

Thank you very much Kath and greyghost,

I can't seem to find a connection to my O'Hagans as yet, I was hoping his father would be Hugh b 1864 as on the 1911 Scottish census it shows my Hugh and wife Ellen to have 6 children , 5 still alive but I can only account for 3 .

Is this your O'Hagan family in 1901?

Which children do you have in 1911?

Unfortunately Scotland's People is down at the moment until next week, so can't look up possible marriage - when were Hugh and Ellen married.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Kirk Street, Glasgow, Calton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hugh O'Hagan Head Married Male 35 1866 Chemical Worker Ireland
Ellen O'Hagan Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Patrick O'Hagan Son - Male 5 1896 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John O'Hagan Son - Male 3 1898 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Margaret O'Hagan Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Margaret McHugh Boarder - Female 23 1878 Dressmaker Ireland

Yes this is the family in 1901.

On the 1911 I have just Patrick and his parents aged 16 occupation Barber, he died in 1918 serving in the army.
John and Margaret must be on the next page as the family are right at the bottom of the 1st page.
I have traced John and Margaret's marriages and deaths so know they survived after 1911.

Yes I know about SP being down until next week i think.

Hugh and Ellen married in 1893 in the Calton district of Glasgow.

I know we're still waiting for Scotland's People- so just throwing out ideas.

Looking at traditional naming patterns for Scotland, the third born son is usually named after the father.

If correct that would mean that if there was a son Hugh he may have been born after 1901.

Possible:

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941
First name(s) Hugh
Last name O'Hagan
Event year 1918
Birth 04 May 1902
Birth place Glasgow
Birth county/country Lanarkshire
Identity certificate number 495315
Card type CR10
Archive The National Archives
Series BT350
Date range 1918-1921

Unfortunately, no father named on the card- although there is a photo of him.

18 September 1915 - The Scotsman - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

GLASGOW .
Patrick O'Hagan, Royal Irish Fusiliers, was killed at the Dardanelles on August 15th. He was 20 years of age, and resided at Kirk Street, Calton. Prior to enlistment a year ago, he was a hairdresser.

Chris :)

O'HAGAN, PATRICK
Rank: Private Service No:11971 Date of Death:15/08/1915 Regiment/Service: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 5th Bn. Panel Reference: Panel 98 to 102.Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx

Thank you AustinQ,

that's exactly what I was thinking and thought the Hugh b 1896 would be a son to Hugh and Ellen . the Hugh you found b 1902 looks
a good bet.
Thank you Chris, I did find his death on the site you mentioned.

thank you to all , I will have to wait until Scotlandspeople is up and running again.

I don't have access to Ancestry so will have to wait until I can visit the NA.

I've sent the Merchant Seaman card for Hugh b.1902 in case it does become relevant once Scotland's people is up and running.

I've just had a quick look on the electoral registers on Ancestry- I don't see any other children listed with Hugh & Helen (Ellen), at Kirk Street apart from John & Margaret.

In 1928 they move from Kirk Street to Stevenson Street. Margaret is still with them, but no other O'Hagans of voting age.

This is them in 1929:

1929:
Stevenson Street:
O'Hagan Mrs Helen
O'Hagan Hugh
O'Hagan John
O'Hagan Margaret
-------------------------------------

Possibly more children listed in 1930:

Stevenson Street:
O'Hagan Catherine
O'Hagan Elizabeth
O'Hagan Mrs Helen
O'Hagan Hugh
O'Hagan John
O'Hagan Margaret
-------------------------------------------------

Or perhaps Elizabeth was a daughter-in-law as this is them in 1933:

Stevenson Street:
O'Hagan Catherine
O'Hagan Mrs Elizabeth
O'Hagan Mrs Helen
O'Hagan Hugh
O'Hagan John
O'Hagan Margaret
---------------------------------------------

It looks as though Helen has moved to Bain Street by 1938- living with Catherine. There are other people at the same address, but no other O'Hagans.

Thanks once again Austin,
Son John married Elizabeth King in 1932 and Ellen , the mother died in Bain Street
in 1940.

I think Kirk street was renamed Stevenson street at some point.

So it looks as though Catherine was another child- she must have been born around 1908/9 to appear on the 1930 electoral register. So just one more child to find (Hopefully Hugh).

I think you are right Austin,
Looks like Catherine is another daughter, if my memory serves me right, Hugh, the father's mother's name was Catherine nee Devlin.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2109900/O'HAGAN,%20HUGH

(does above relate in family somewhere?)

Chris :)

Edits

20 August 1896 - Southern Reporter - Selkirk, Selkirkshire, Scotland

Mary O'Hagan, two-and-a-half years old, who resided with her parents at 31 Kirk Street, Glasgow, died in the Royal Infirmary on Monday, from the effects of swallowing a quantity of mixture containing ammonia and paraffin, which her father used fo rubbing purposes.

Perhaps Chris,
Can't really find out until Scotlandspeople is up and running again then I can check the next page on the 1911 census for other children's names.

I don't think he can be a son of John who married Elizabeth King as they did not marry until 1932 and the record you show shows that this Hugh would have been born 1922.
but you never know he may be connected in some way.

Jean- you said that John and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1932, but there is an Elizabeth Hagan (no Mrs to indicate she was married) on the 1930 electoral register at Stevenson Street.

Perhaps the other child was Elizabeth?

Sorry for the late reply Chris,
Just seen your edited post about daughter Mary, that's awful, so sad.
Poor little thing .
She must have been their 1st born c 1893.

You are quite right Austin, just giong through all the information again.
I think the 1930 e.r. must be another daughter, but on the 1933 there is a Mrs Elizabeth o'Hagan perhaps that is the one married John.

Can't wait for SP to get started up again so I can search for the births.