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This was my grans Father. My gran was born illegitimate in 1886 Kingston Surry. Her Mother Ellen Upfield pretended to be a widow using his name. She reg the birth of baby Charlotte as his surname too. This is why I have spent years n years not finding her anywhere. I was always looking for Charlotte Ethel Upfield.
Charlotte ended up with Dr barnardos and was sent to Canada aged 9 as Charlotte Ethel UPFIELD.
I have been waiting for her barnardos file for over a year and it arrived 2 days ago. WITH A PHOTO OF HER AGED 6!!!! Very exciting.
Her file tells me her father was in the east surry reg and was most likely to be in India at the time of childs birth 1886.
Now for my question.......
What was the British army doing around that time and would they have been in India? He supposedly supported them during the mothers confinement.
Thanks in advance for any ideas
Geraldine x
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According to Google the 1st Battalion of the East Surrey Regiment were based in India between 1881 and 1903 so it is possible that he was in India at some point between those dates:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Surrey_Regiment
Kath. x
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Hi Kath long time no see
I was myself just playing around with Google and found a pic of the regiments Barracks.....3 guesses where?
Kingston upon Thames! that's where Charlotte was born. Maybe he was the one that found her lodgings to give birth.
This is great as it makes him more real and not Mr pretend lol
Many thanks Kath x
Ps just an added note to say that the father was never seen or heard of again after the birth.
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could this be ellen
Ellen Upfield
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Ellen Upfield
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Guildford St Mary The Virgin, Surrey, England
Registration District Guildford
Residence Note High Street
Gender Female
Age 21
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation General Serv (Domestic)
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1860
Birthplace Ash, Surrey, England
Page Number 13
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 777/58
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Henry P Botting Son M 10 Guildford, Surrey, England
Mildred C Botting Daughter F 8 Guildford, Surrey, England
Leonard D Botting Son M 3 Guildford, Surrey, England
Ellen Upfield Servant F 21 Ash, Surrey, England
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is this Herbert c giles
Herbert C Giles
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Herbert C Giles
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1944
Registration District Battersea
County London
Event Place Battersea, London, England
Age (available after 1866) 81
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Volume 1D
Page 323
Line Number 143
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Thanks Malyon love your dog.
That one about Herbert is the best one so far. Don't know why I cant find him on census, maybe i'ts because of being in the Army. Maybe he really did go to India.
Ellen was in service before and after Charlottes birth. Her file gives her Brothers and Sisters also her Father William<<Born FROLE Hampshire. Ag Lab and all were poor.
Ellen was seduced by Herbert (barnados words not mine) While she was in service.
She was in service in Devonport when she was seduced then did a runner to Kingston Surry to give birth at a house run by Mr and Mrs Baker. Ellen left the child there as a 'Nurse child' and went back to work saying she was a widow Ellen Giles.
Ellen worked for a Mrs Elliston an aged lady. She lived in Richmond but moved to Plymouth taking Ellen with her. Whenever Mrs Elliston Visited Kingston she would always look in on the child Charlotte.
She was not at all favourably impressed with Mrs Baker or the appearance of the home or family. Ellen was very worried that Mrs Elliston should find out her deception (not married)Mrs Elliston was very kind to Ellen.
As far as I can make out Charlotte stayed there for almost 5 years before being removed to Stepney receiving house then on to Girls village in Barkingside. then off to Canada.
Her Brothers and Sisters are hard to find but I have found one, a Caroline upfield who was deaf and dumb. Sent for birth also death cert. Born and died in Guildford.b1869-d1923.
The Mother Ann had died and they had a step mum Harriett.
Ellens wages were £15 per annum and she paid Mrs Baker 15/- a month for the care of Charlotte. Ellen was quite ill during her confinement and after birth but Mrs Ellistion employed a charwoman to do the heavy work so Ellen diddnt have to do it.
What a lovely lady!
These are the names on the file...
Ellen Upfield (alias Giles) 32
Herbert C Giles reputed father abt 30 Soldier in east surry reg.
Ellens Father William72 ag lab Rosvell Farm Godlming.
Brothers
William 32 Soldier
James 30
Richard 28 farm labs Godalming
Ellens Sisters
Jane Harms 50 Husband Gardner Farnham.
Elizabeth Upfield 27
Mary Tedler 40 Husband carter. Guildford.
Harriett Upfield 36 Servant Farnham
Margaret Upfield 35
caroline Upfield 24 deaf and dumb.
Annie Upfield 23 Servant.
Unsure when these ages come from but Charlotte went to Barnandos in 1892. This is I think when this record was made.
Please don't think i'm asking you all to find this lot for me, I just wanted to share and it helps me to write it all down. Her photo as a 6 year old has pride of place in my home.
She was my Grama and she is the image of my Grandson! 2 peas in a pod.
Geraldine x
just found this
Ellen Upfold
Gender:
Female
Baptism Date:
27 Jan 1860
Baptism Place:
Wyke,Surrey,England
Father:
William Upfold
Mother:
Ann
:-) :-) :-) :-D :-D :-)
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(the Elliston below, do you have other 'Threads' with info.?, don't want to repeat!, can see a couple regarding Canada)
Chris :)
1891 (Find My Past)
Eliza Elliston Head Widow Female 70 1821 Living On Own Means Lostwithiel, Cornwall, England
Ellen Giles Servant Widow Female 32 1859 Domestic Servant Guildford, Surrey, England
Street Tamar Terrace
Parish Devonport
City Devonport
County Devon
Registration district Stoke Damerel
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 1744
Folio 14
Page 21
Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Elliston Eliza 84 Plymouth 5b 145
https://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory/20/burial_records
(image on above. 8.Elmsleigh Terrace, Plymouth)
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(adding below as possibles for William, from Find My Past)
Chris :)
Hampshire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name UPFIELD
Birth year 1816
Baptism year 1816
Baptism day 14
Baptism month Jan
Son or daughter Son
First parent's first name(s) Joseph
Second parent first name(s) Harriet
Parish FROYLE
Hampshire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name UPFIELD
Birth year 1827
Baptism year 1827
Baptism day 8
Baptism month Apr
Son or daughter Son
First parent's first name(s) James
Second parent first name(s) Jane
Parish FROYLE
http://www.froyle.com/baptu_2.htm
(google search brings above, also more)
1881 (Find My Past)
William Upfield Head Married Male 54 1827 Ag Lab (Carter) Froyle, Hampshire, England
Ann Upfield Wife Married Female 51 1830 - Binstead, Hampshire, England
James Upfield Son Single Male 23 1858 Ag Lab Hampshire, England
Richard Upfield Son Single Male 16 1865 - Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Upfield Daughter Single Female 14 1867 - Hampshire, England
Margarete Upfield Daughter Single Female 12 1869 - Hampshire, England
Caroline Upfield Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Wanborough, Surrey, England
Anne Upfield Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Wanborough, Surrey, England
House name Rodsal
Parish Puttenham
County Surrey
Registration district Guildford
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 780
Folio 95
Page 14
(looking on google search, comes up as Rodsall)
1861 (Find My Past)
William Upfold Head Married Male 34 1827 Labourer Hampshire, England
Anne Upfold Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Hampshire, England
Jane Upfold Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Seale, Surrey, England
William Upfold Son - Male 7 1854 - Surrey, England
Mary Ann Upfold Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Surrey, England
Harriett Upfold Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Worsbrough, Surrey, England
Ellen Upfold Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Worplesdon, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Hamlet Wanborough
Registration district Guildford
Enumeration district 9
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 429
Folio number 165
Page number 8
England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription )Find My Past)
First name(s) Jane
Last name Upfield
Age 29
Marriage year 1881
Marriage date 08 Aug 1881
Marriage place Hersham
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Upfield
Spouse's first name(s) Ambrose
Spouse's last name Hobbs
Spouse's age 36
Spouse's father's first name(s) David
Spouse's father's last name Hobbs
County Surrey
(wondering if Sister above, Hobbs, not Harms?)
Ancestry has below collections, probably a lot more on family there...
Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937
Surrey, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1987
Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1945
(and from above, Marriages, below would probably be reference for Sister as Tedler?)
Mary Anne Upfield
abt 1856 6 Mar 1875 Compton, St Nicholas William Fedder
Father William Upfield
(then checked, lol)
Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
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Tedder William Guildford 2a 61
Upfield Mary Anne Guildford 2a 61
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Chris that's amazing! Thank you so much.
No other threads only old ones before getting Charlottes file.
Received the file beginning of this week but understand where your coming from.
Off now to digest all you found....
Geraldine x
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