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Charles Cooper was my great great grandfather. I know that he was born around 1845 - could be a year either side and that he died in either 1900 or 1901. When he married my great great grandmother in May 1880 his occupation is given as soldier and his address as St Boltophs, Colchester. My research has shown children born in 1883 in Aldershot, in 1884 in Portland and then in Essex. The pattern seems to have been that children were born almost annually except between 1884 -1887, then 1889 - 1893 and finally between 1893 -1900. This could mean he was away on service. He is not included in the censuses of 1881, 1891 or 1901. I have spent hours trying to find any details of his regiment etc with no success. He is mentioned on his daughters marriage certificate in March 1901 where it says he was a musician and deceased. Can anyone help me here or point me in the right direction? Many thanks.

Welcome to the boards.

Do you know where he was born and what was the name of your great great grandmother?

Kath. x

I don't know where he was born There was some talk in the family years back that he may have come from Ireland but I have nothing definitive. My Great grandmothers name was Mary Maria Butler and she was only 16 when she married. She was born in Essex.

Julia

This looks like him then:-

First name(s) CHARLES
Last name COOPER
Birth year 1845
Birth parish LEATHERLANE
Birth town LONDON
Birth county MIDDLESEX
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 1498
Rank -
Regiment Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) - 2nd Foot
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1865
Attestation Day 13
Attestation Month 6
Attestation age years 20
Attestation age months -
Attestation Corps 2nd Foot
Attestation service number 1498
Discharge Corps 2nd Foot
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 2557
Box Record Number 32
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915

Looking at the image it gives his wife's name as Mary Maria Butler, his children as Annie and Mary, his father as Charles and his sister as Anne. He was a Draper by trade when signing up.

He was married 10th May, 1880 in Essex

He was born Leatherlane, London

The cause of discharge was the termination of his second period of limited engagement.

There is quite a bit of other information about his service. Perhaps someone else with a subscription to Findmypast can send you the images (not sure I can do it) but if not I will get my son to do it for me tomorrow.

Kath. x

To add to Kath’s extracts

Rengaged at Belgaum with 2 dates relating to pay 21 May 1872 & 31 Mar 1876
Belgaum, officially known as Belagavi (earlier known as "Belgaon" or "Venugrama" or the "Bamboo Village"[4]) is a city in the Indian state of Karnataka.

Home 15 Jun 1865-6 Jul 1866
E Indies 7 Jul 1866 – 6 April 1879 (which doesn’t explain why he was in India unless they meant the Eastern part of India rather than the Caribbean?
Home 7 Apr 1879-5 Jun 1886
Home 6 Jun 1886 – 22 Jun 1886

Medical records record dates and places of admission to hospital or for treatment
Chatham 17 Jun – 13 Jul 1965 and again 10 Oct -14 Oct 1865 Syphilis?
Cork? 1 Apr 1866
Patnia? Aden Nov 1866 (not sick)
Poona Nov 1868. Hospitalised 5 Jul -28 Jul 1869 Conjunctivitis
Bombay Oct 1869 (not sick)
Poona 24 Jun – 20 Jul 1870 Some type of syphilis?
Belgaum 17 Feb-3 Mar 1872 Gonorrhoea
Ahuinduafar? 27 Mar 1876 for re-vaccinations
Poona various dates in 1878 for AFlu (given with note it was climate related) , Diarrhoea & Bronchitis (climate related)
Mihow? 22 Oct 1878
At sea 5 Mar 1879
Colchester Apr 1879
Portland 25 Aug 1882
Halce?? 8 Oct 1883

He didn’t serve in any Campaigns and was awarded a Good Conduct medal in 1883 with ‘Gratuity’.

I got my son to help me send the images. If you look in your messages and when you open the message there should be a button at the bottom of the message which says "get attachments". Click this and the images should be there.

Kath. x

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Charles
Last name Cooper
Relationship -
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 35
Birth year 1846
Occupation Private 1/2 Regiment
Birth town Leatherhead
Birth town as transcribed LEATHERHEAD
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Birth place England
House name 1st Battalion 2nd Queens Royal Regimemt
Street -
Town -
Parish Aldershot Military in South Camp (Hants)
County Surrey
Country England
Registration district Farnham
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 786
Folio 24
Page 5
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thames Street, Kingston, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Powell Head Married Male 36 1825 Draper & Clothier Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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Lizzie Powell Wife Married Female 28 1833 - London, Middlesex, England
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Isabella W Powell Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Not Yet Named Powell Son - Male 0 1861 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Frederick R Harries Assistant Unmarried Male 21 1840 Drapers Assistant Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
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Robert Benn Assistant Unmarried Male 20 1841 Drapers Assistant Hampton, Middlesex, England
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Emma Warden Assistant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Drapers Assistant Limehouse, Middlesex, England
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Frances Harvey Assistant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Drapers Assistant Hampshire, England
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Frank Potts Assistant Unmarried Male 19 1842 Drapers Assistant Welshampton, Hampshire, England
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Elizabeth Knight Assistant Unmarried Female 19 1842 Drapers Assistant Brook, Dorset, England
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Charles Cooper Apprentice Unmarried Male 16 1845 Apprentice Leatherhead, Surrey, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jane E Giles Seaman Unmarried Female 25 1836 General Servant Surrey, England
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Margaret Holden Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 General Servant Essex, England
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Mary Ann Fossett Nurse Widow Female 51 1810 Monthly Nurse Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fair Field, Leatherhead, Epsom, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Cooper Head W Female 70 1781 Laundress Chichester, Sussex, England
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Harriett Cooper Daur - Female 38 1813 Laundress Chichester, Sussex, England
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Alfred Cooper Grandson - Male 8 1843 Scholar Leatherhead, Surrey, England
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Charles Cooper Grandson - Male 6 1845 Scholar Leatherhead, Surrey, England
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Thomas Candler Visitor Married Male 32 1819 Painter Jour Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
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Thomas Tippett Visitor Unmarried Male 24 1827 Painter Jour Devon, England

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Births Jun 1845 (>99%)
COOPER Charles Epsom 4 129

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Flint Cottages, Fairfield Hill, Leatherhead, Epsom, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Cooper Head Single Female 36 1855 Laundress Coombe, Surrey, England
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Charles Cooper Brother Married Male 45 1846 Army Pensioner Leatherhead, Surrey, England
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George Heaver Boarder Single Male 22 1869 Brewer Sussex, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Maldon, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Cooper Husband Married Male 45 1816 Gardener Aldingbourne, Sussex, England
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Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 45 1816 Dress Maker Mickleham, Surrey, England
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Harriet Cooper Daughter Single Female 12 1849 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Caroline Cooper Daughter Single Female 10 1851 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Ann Cooper Daughter Single Female 8 1853 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Acacia Grove Stratford House, Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Cooper Head - Male 55 1816 - Sussex, England
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Lucy A Cooper Wife - Female 54 1817 - Middlesex, England
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Harriet Cooper Daughter - Female 22 1849 - Surrey, England
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George A King Lodger - Male 33 1838 - Cornwall, England
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Samuel Chapman Lodger - Male 22 1849 - Bedfordshire, England

charles is a gardener

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lodge, Kingston on Thames, Kingston, Surrey, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Cooper Head Married Male 35 1816 Gardener Sussex, England
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Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Mickleham, Surrey, England
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Harriet Cooper Daughter - Female 2 1849 Scholar Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England
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Caroline Cooper Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England

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FreeReg Baptism entry on 14 Apr 2016
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Field Value
County Sussex
Place Aldingbourne
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 25 Jul 1815
Person forename Charles
Person sex M
Person abode Aldingbourne
Father forename William
Father surname COOPER
Father occupation Coachman
Mother forename Hannah

Name: Charles Cooper
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Jun 1845
Christening Place: LEATHERHEAD,SURREY,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 01 May 1845
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Charles Cooper
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06978-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 307818
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQL2-FMZ : accessed 14 April 2016), Charles Cooper, 01 Jun 1845; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 307,818.

Name: Alfred Cooper
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Jun 1843
Christening Place: LEATHERHEAD,SURREY,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1843
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Charles Cooper
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06978-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 307818
Reference ID:



Citing this Record:
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMWT-1QZ : accessed 14 April 2016), Alfred Cooper, 18 Jun 1843; citing , reference ; FHL microfilm 307,818.

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England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Ann
Last name Wild
Name note -
Age 26
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 31 Jul 1842
Marriage place Mickleham
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Wild
Spouse's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's last name Cooper
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Cooper
Residence Mickleham, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Many thanks to all who have helped me in my search. A mystery which has dogged me for several years has been solved. Thank you once again.