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Hello.

I wonder if anyone could help me with information about George Barry born in Merthyr Tidfil. He served in the Royal Army Supply Corps in WW2

Thank you

Agnes

Welcome to the boards Agnes.

WW2 service records are not online but are still with the MOD. This website will tell you how to go about ordering them and what you need to provide. They will cost £30 and may take several months to arrive:-

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

You don't say when he was born but this could be a possibility for his birth:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name BARRY
Birth year 1917
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name THOMAS
District MERTHYR TYDFIL
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 1255

Kath. x

Thanks Kath.

That's the correct entry

We don't know what happened to him after the war

Agnes x

do you know if he survived the war or what his service number was

If you have an exact date of birth, you might be able to find a death record for him.

Have you found him on the 1939 Register or would he have already been called up? If his name is visible, it means he died before 1991. Blanked out names mean that either they haven't yet been able to identify a death in England or Wales, or that he died in another country.

Of course, there is the possibility that he is still living!

This could possibly be a death:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name BARRY
Gender Male
Birth day 5
Birth month 9
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1971
District COLCHESTER
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 1679

If he was born in September his birth may have been registered in October which would fit with the birth record.

Kath. x

Thanks Kath.

I think this is brilliant.

I had found this entry somewhere but with the death date only....no birth date. I therefore had no way of safely linking the two.

I have his birth certificate which only arrived two days ago and guess what?
George Barry was born on 5th September 1917 :-)

Have to think how to proceed now. Colchester was/is an army town was/is it not?
Thanks for your help.

Regards
Agnes

Agnes sent a PM before Kath had posted the death reg.

She asked what the 1939 Register was. Although I replied with a brief explanation, the 'official' one can be found on the National Archive site. Just click on the following link.

http://tinyurl.com/hnh82qg

On a brief glance, George doesn't seem to be on the Register. He may have already volunteered or been called up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a1138664.shtml

Agnes - if you can give us the names of his parents and their dates or year of birth, we can see if he is with them but misstranscribed

Hello Detective

Thanks for the trouble you have gone to to help me.

Thanks for info on1939 register.

George Barry's parents were;

David Barry born in 1876 ( in Merthyr Tydfil?)

Catherine Thomasine Thomas born in 1875 in Cefu Breconshire

Regards and thanks

Agnes

Transcription

Goode Household (9 People) 1 Plymouth,Old Office Hawkey Terrace , Merthyr Tydfil C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
David Barry 11 Jan 1876 Male Colliery Accounts Clerk Married
William A Goode 03 Apr 1905 Male Publicworkslabourercontractor Heavy Work Married
Elizabeth Goode 28 Dec 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
John Goode 08 Apr 1933 Male At School Single
Mary Gwen Jones 03 Dec 1905 Female Chemists Shop Assistant Single
Catherine T Barry 30 Mar 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Teresa V (F) Wareham (Barry) 08 Oct 1914 Female Fruiteres Shop Assistant Single
Margaret K Walters 31 Mar 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Actually, the transcription v address is a bit of a mess. The Goodes don’t appear anywhere on the image.

1 Plymouth Old Office
David Barry
Catherine T Barry
Teresa V F Barry – later Wareham with a date in the margin 19.6.1975. Did she marry ‘late’?
Margaret K Walters
One Closed Record

2 Plymouth Old Office
Stephen A Barry
Agnes Barry

1 Plymouth Old Office
Alphonso H Brown
Ada M Brown
Then a load of Closed Records making it impossible to work out which households they were in.

Image to be sent by PM - DONE

You probably have this anyway


First name(s) TERESA V F
Last name BARRY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1975
Spouse's last name WAREHAM
District HOVE
County Sussex
Country England
Volume 18
Page 0543

MarriageFinder™ TERESA V F BARRY married
DONALD WAREHAM

I would send for the death certificate and hope that the informant might be a relative who you could search for and who could give you more information.

Kath. x

Thanks Detective.

I had looked for a marriage for Teresa but didn't find any. It was a late marriage as you noticed. In David Barry's will in 1944 she is described as spinster.

Thanks too for all that work on the transcription of the Goode household.

Most of my own family history was done on Scotlands People. I find the English records more challenging to access and figure out!

No problem - George's DC may, as suggested, shed more light on his life after WW2.

At the very least it will tell you what his occupation was.

Agnes has sent a pm saying that she has ordered the death certificate - so fingers crossed that it will be of some help.

Kath. x

Might I ask a wee bit more help from you clever people?

George Barry's parents were David and Catherine Barry(nee Thomas) I found David and Catherine Barry in the 1911 census and they have 7 children born between 1898 and 1908

There are three Barry/Thomas children born after the census
Austin Barry 1912
Teresa Barry 1914
George Barry 1917
is there a way of knowing that these 3 children are siblings of those listed in the 1911 Census?
I've got myself confused

thanks for your help

Agnes

You would need to check on any other Barry/Thomas marriages. This is the only other possible Barry/Thomas marriage I can see in Merthyr Tydfil:-

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name BARRY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1909
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS BARRY married one of these people
NORAH DONOVAN, ELIZABETH THOMAS
District MERTHYR TYDFIL
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 943

Without the certificates it would be difficult to tell whether the children's births were to this couple or "your" couple.

Kath. x

Thanks for your reply Kath

I have George's birth certificate so I who his parents were.

By looking at the 1911 census I figured that Thomas Barry married Norah.

Rather intrigued by the fact that Teresa Barry appears in the 1939 Register at the same address as George's parents. I suppose she could have been a relative rather than a sibling

Agnes x