Military Chat

I would say there is a good chance that this is Anthony on the electoral roll ... the marriage was in 1960 in Durham

http://www.192.com/atoz/people/bushell/anthony/lu7/3129508852/

(the person also named A H B born in Durham was too young to have married in 1960)

192.com dates that entry to 2002 but it seems to be current per

http://www.freeelectoralroll.co.uk/

(you have to do the search there)

what I'm not understanding from this complicated tale is whether Harold's first wife Mary Annie went to QLD alone or with the children, and why she stayed there if her son at least was in England, although possibly the daughter was in Australia as well

just to make sure I have this straight

Harold Bushell married first Doney and had two children

Harold Bushell then married your grandmother (1945?) who also had children

Harold Bushell and your grandmother had one child, your uncle

so Anthony is your uncle's half-brother, and your uncle is your parent's half brother :-)

the way to be sure that the Harold Bushell in the two marriages is the same is to get the two marriage certificates - the one to Doney and the one to your grandmother - and check that the age, occupation, father's name are the same


also just to note that QLD records on line are not recent enough to find a death for Mary Annie or marriage for Barbara if she married there

Ok so now I'm confused!!
The latest info you've given me does sound credible as my uncle believes there was a definite connection to Australia. Can you find any other details as I've looked but to no avail?
If Barbara was Tonys sister did she reman in Australia, marry etc?
Did his Mum Mary remain in Australia, divorce, date of death etc?
Also is there info on Tony did he marry, who, children, still alive, where living etc?
Am I looking in the wrong place as I couldn't find any of the info you have?
I'm so grateful Gritty!!
Regards
Kim

Harold's wife was Mary Annie- I have her on the Australian Electoral register living at Florence Street, Wynnum- no other Bushells of voting age at the same address:

Name: Mary Annie Bushell
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1943
Subdistrict: Wynnum
State: Queensland
District: Moreton
Country: Australia

Same results for 1949

In 1954 she's living "Hyde" Upper Esplanade, Wynnum.
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Harold and Mary Annie married in Farnham, Surrey, England in 1933- her maiden name was Doney. I'll message you the marriage certificate. There are two births listed to this couple- Barbara M 1934, and Anthony H 1935.

Anthony H Bushell also served with the Corps of Royal Military Police as Lt.

His middle name was Harold- Googling his number and surname brings up lots of entries for him in the Gazette:

A H Bushell 443409

Hi Kim, I'm just pasting the information I sent to you following another post on the board- just to save any repeated searching- When I was looking for an Antony Bushell I had no information for his father or date of birth- are you sure that Anthony Rex Bushell is the correct person, as I'm not certain his father was Harry/ Harold? I have put details of a more likely son of Harold in my post below this one:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1352906

No idea if this is who you are looking for, but Anthony Rex Bushell trained at RMA Sandhurst during the 50s:

SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE 28th FEBRUARY 1956
REGULAR ARMY
The undermentioned Officer Cadets from the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst to be 2nd Lts 16th Dec 1955, with seniority 16th Dec. 1955, except as otherwise stated:-
...
Royal Corps of Signals
ANTHONY REX BUSHELL (445812)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/40719/supplement/1222/data.pdf

Anthony Rex Bushell progressed to Lieutenant in 1957 and later became Captain.
In 1968 he became a Major:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/44885/supplement/6784/data.pdf

Hi detEcTive,
Thanks for your interest in my post. I am not sure where Tony was born or his Mothers name?? I do know he was born in 1935 & spent a bit of time in Brisbane, Australia whether he was born there I don't know? His middle name is Rex.
He was in the Royal Corps of Signals at the RMA Sandhurst from 1955 and graduated to a Major in about 1968?? His army no was 445812?
I would be interested to learn of any formation at all about him.
Regards
Kim

Kim - it doesn't matter if you sign into GRs Australian site or the UK one; you still end up in the same place and with the same record set ;-)

As had been mentioned earlier, UK military records after 1922 are still with the MOD. If Tony was in the Australian Army you can try the Australian National Archives
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

If you can clarify where Tony was born, approx when and the name of his mother, we may be able to pick him up on Electoral Rolls. Australian ones on Ancestry go up to 1980

Hello Gritty,
Wow so much information, thank you!
I have deleted the previous soldier number from my post as obviously it wasn't him.
Yes this definitely is the person I'm looking for! It's my uncles Father, my step grandfather. We know there was a brother Tony & a sister don't know details of her from a previous marriage in Australia, before he met my Grandmother & had a Son ( my Uncle)
The information I have with dates etc of him being a POW came from details that my Brother recently discovered whilst on holiday in Thailand, it came from the Museum on the River Kwai.
I'm hoping with the information you have kindly given me I can explore more to find out even more about Harold. Do you know if there is a different genes reunited site for Australia as I would like to find out a bit more about his life there?
His Son Tony was also in the Army, Corps of Signals of which I am too trying to find info on as my Uncle lost touch with him when he was about 14?
My searches continue. Thanks again for your assistance.

I think this is the man you are seeking:

http://www.corpsofmilitarypolice.org/soldier/16481/

Surname: Bushell
Initials: H.
Rank: Lance Corporal
Army No.: 6088122
Notes: CMP. Info from M.I. 9/Jap No. 11571. Captured at Hong Kong, 30/12/1941. Formerly Queen's Regt, enlisted 26/8/1929. Home address: Carlisle Cottage, Florence Street, Wynnum Central. Brisbane, Australia. Camps, Shamshipo, Hong Kong, 30/12/1941, Argylest, Hong Kong, 17/4/1942, Oeyamas, Osaka, Japan, 7/1/1944 to 14/9/1945. Served with CMP in Shanghai, pre 1937. Later Sgt.

Hello Kim, I've received your message to say the information I've given is not for the correct person.

Can you just confirm that the 180398 soldier number given in your opening post is incorrect and that you are still looking for a Harold Bushell? If so, it might be better to remove the number so others don't use this to search.

The information and date of capture you give seems quite precise- can I ask where the information came from?

A post on the link below suggests he went to Australia after the war- what information are you wanting?.
http://www.hkvca.ca/newsltr/archives/MB/ond2001a.htm

Welcome to the boards Kim.


(I'll let Kim know how to find her replies) :-)

The number that you've give is for a Hubert Henry Bushell and is listed here under Royal Regiment of Artillery in 1941:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35146/supplement/2427/data.pdf
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The War Office
12/09/1946
The KING has been graciously pleased to approve that the following be Mentioned in recognition of gallant and distinguished services while Prisoners of War:—

Lieutenant BUSHELL H.H. 180398
British Army, Royal Regiment of Artillery
Mentioned in recognition of gallant and distinguished services
Whilst Prisoner of War
Reference
The London Gazette - 37720

http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/gallant_and_distinguished_service/html/name_database_115.htm
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Hubert Henry Bushell
Date of Birth 1921
Captured Singapore February 14 1942

http://www.cofepow.org.uk/lq.images/Burton%20-%20Byworth/Bushell_Hubert_Henry.JPG

WW2 military records are still with the MOD .

Have a look at this site, you may be able to order copies of records, but apparently they can take months to be despatched.

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records

You might also find some useful information on this site (found by googling)

RMP Museum - British Army Website
www.army.mod.uk › ... › Provost Marshal (Army) › Royal Military Police
Since the 1950s, wherever the RMP have undertaken their training, a collection ... It should be noted that the Museum holds very few soldier's records, therefore ...

Try their frequently asked questions section
http://www.army.mod.uk/agc/provost/31847.aspx

I am trying to trace information on Harold Bushell , who attended the RMA Sandhurst he was captured in Burma I believe on 25/12/41 & was there for a long time under horrendous conditions. He was a lance corporal in the Military Police?
Anyone with any info whatsoever I would be eternally grateful
Regards
Kim