Military Chat

Sgt Griffin (Royal Field Artillery) is on my Grandad's wedding photo in 1913 and was a witness to the marriage details of which are in my Grandads "Soldiers Small Book"
I think he married my grandmother's sister Lucy Eliza Bailey at Southwark in 1902. I cannot find anything about him, if he survived the war etc.
He would have been a career soldier as he was Sgt before the war started, as was my Grandad. ( RAMC)

Raymond

I think that Lucy Eliza Bailey married William Taylor in 1902

Lucy Bailey married William Taylor, not Thomas Griffin:


Name:Lucy Eliza Bailey
Gender:Female
Marital Status:Single
Age:25
Birth Date:1877
Marriage Date:26 Dec 1902
Marriage Place:St. John, Newington, Surrey, England
Father: James Bailey
Spouse:William Taylor

NAME: Thomas Griffin
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1881
AGE: 21
SPOUSE: Alice Ann Jones
SPOUSE AGE: 22
RECORD TYPE: Marriage
EVENT DATE: 26 Dec 1902
PARISH: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
BOROUGH: Southwark
FATHER NAME: John Griffin
SPOUSE FATHER: William Jones
REGISTER TYPE: Parish Register


Thomas is aged 21 and occupation of potter. Resided at 13 East St.
Father John Griffin shown as deceased - occupation of packer

Confused if that is the right marriage then on 1911 he has gained the middle name of Patrick.

NAME: Thomas Patric Griffin
AGE IN 1911: 29
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1882
RELATION TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: London, United Kingdom
CIVIL PARISH: Lambeth
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 4 Saunders Place, Saunders Street, Lambeth
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: POTTERS LABOURER
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lambeth
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 25
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Lambeth Church
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 26
PIECE: 1968
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Patric Griffin 29
Alice Ann Griffin 29
Alice Ann Griffin 7
Ann Susan Griffin 5
Thomas Patric Griffin 3
Mary Ann Griffin 0

There is this pension record? which would eliminate this one at least if you are sure of marriage year

NAME: Thomas Griffin
GENDER: Male
BIRTH DATE: abt 1881
BIRTH PLACE: Walworth, Surrey, England
AGE: 18
DOCUMENT YEAR: 1899
REGIMENTAL NUMBER: 257
REGIMENT NAME: Royal Artillery
FORM TITLE: Short Service Attestation
NUMBER OF IMAGES: 10
OTHER RECORDS: Search for 'Thomas Griffin' in other WWI collections
FAMILY MEMBERS:
NAME RELATION TO SOLDIER
Thomas Griffin Self (Head)


Married Catharine Hannah Wilson ,1909 Newington

Following on from the post by Rambling Rose

NAME: Thomas Griffin
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1883
AGE: 26
SPOUSE: Catherine Hannah Wilson
SPOUSE AGE: 28
RECORD TYPE: Marriage
EVENT DATE: 1 Aug 1909
PARISH: All Saints, Walworth
BOROUGH: Southwark
FATHER NAME: George Griffin
SPOUSE FATHER: Thomas Raymond John Wilson



Thomas is age 26, batchelor, and occupation of flusher, Father George, shown as deceased, occupation of carpenter & joiner

Address give 51 Beckway Street




1911 possible
NAME: Thomas Griffin
AGE IN 1911: 28
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1883
RELATION TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: WALWORTH, England
CIVIL PARISH: Newington St Mary
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 15 Salisbury Row, Rodney Rd, Walworth S E
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: LABOURER
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Southwark
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 23
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Newington North
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 19
PIECE: 1811
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Thomas Griffin 28
Catherine Griffin 30
Thomas George Griffin 1

as a career soldier, a good chance he was in the military in 1911?

Name: Thomas John Greffin [Thomas John Griffin]
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Camberwell, Surrey, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 2/ South Wales Borderers
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: South Africa
private, single

the Ancestry user who corrected the name has not added any explanation, but the correction was only made a few months ago and the person has been active at the site today so it would be worth asking whether there is a connection

closest births are

Births Dec 1888
GRIFFIN Thomas John Camberwell 1d 901 S
Births Mar 1893
Griffin Thomas John Camberwell 1d 1018

he might have overstated his age in order to join the military ... however that 1883 TJG's WWI service record is at Ancestry and his attestation papers show no previous military service


in the 1911 there are several other Thomas Griffins but that one's birth place struck me as possibly related


but probably more relevant, there were two in the Royal Field Artillery in 1911


Name: Thomas Charles Griffin
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birth Place: Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish: Frimley
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Minden Barracks, Deep Cut, Deep Cut, Farnborough, Hants
Marital Status: Single
Military Unit: 43rd Battery Royal Field Arty
Registration district: Farnham
sergeant, single

Name: Thomas Griffen
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: Xith Battery Royal Field Artillery (XI i.e. 11th)
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: India
gunner, single


so that Thomas Charles Griffin who was a sergeant in the Royal Field Artillery in 1911 stationed at Minden Barracks is maybe the most likely?

Raymond if you would give us your grandfather's name and details we could see where he was in 1911 and whether he might have crossed paths with Sgt Griffin around then

however I'm suspecting that if he didn't marry your grandfather's sister, your interest in him is less keen? :-)

Are you actually wanting to know more about your grandfather's sister?

You have found him!!! Thank you.

Thomas Charles Griffin
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birth Place: Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish: Frimley
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: Minden Barracks, Deep Cut, Deep Cut, Farnborough, Hants
Marital Status: Single
Military Unit: 43rd Battery Royal Field Arty
Registration district: Farnham
sergeant, single :-D :-D

My Grandad, Frank Albert Rogers RAMC was also at Minden Barracks.
He lived in Frimley Green after 1913 when he married.He also was a career soldier, joining in 1900 at age of 15 as a bugle boy in the Boer war.
I have a family photo of his wedding which includes Thomas Griffin.
The lady next to him I presumed was his wife, but isn't, not at that time anyway.My Grandmother has a few sisters so I will need to research to find partners. I am interested in sgt Griffin through his association with my Grandad.