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you're welcome, it's always interesting :-)

Thanks for that info it's a great help. You have helped me take another step back.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTQR-NZ9

Name: Susan Annison
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Jun 1825
Christening Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Samuel Annison
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01755-7 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1526328 , Reference ID: It. 16 p90


1841 census

Name: Elizth Annison
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Hundred: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Northern

Elizth Annison 40 charwoman
Santo Annison 20 labourer
Christ Annison 15
Susan Annison 15



this certainly looks like the mother Elizabeth in those various christening records. Susan and Christiana were under 20 so their age was rounded down to 15.

the eldest child in the list is actually Sam'l, a son aged 20


Annison is seeming like perhaps the right name, and James's name got messed up when he moved away

there are numerous Annisons in the vicinity in 1841

Well Joonie, I'm sorry you think I have wasted your time, but you have confirmed my research which is great for me.
The illiterate avenue is good, I guess word of mouth and interpretation was the way it was. I'm uncertain if I should persue the Annison line or not.

Well David, for starters, it would have been a very good idea to tell us you had this information so I didn't spend half an hour finding it ........

I just tried to find the Annison Hodda marriage at familysearch but the site has gone down on me

you could give that full information too maybe, date and place

the site is back ...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK7W-TMS


Samuel Annison
Name: Samuel Annison
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hodda
Event Date: 02 Dec 1817
Event Place: St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M16315-4 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1526456

she is also transcribed as Hodds and Madden in different transcriptions so presumably you have checked the original ... I have to say the image at familysearch looks like Hodds to me - it is much clearer in the name of the witness Ann Hodds

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12309-11589-54?cc=1416598

and remember that since both were illiterate (signed with X) they likely did not know how their names were spelt


it all certainly fits together

the only way ever to be sure of descent from a person is DNA

you need another descendant whose DNA can be tested to see whether there is a match

the most certain way of determining this is descendants in the male line - son of a son of a son ... - to match the Y-DNA

autosomal testing can also be done to try to identify cousinship

as an example, a male member of my family did YDNA testing for me, and turned out to be a 100% match with a person living in the US whom I had already 'met' through records at Ancestry, who is also a great-great-grandson of my family member's great-great-grandfather ... so now we know for sure that both our families are 'legitimate' descendants of that man

you would want to find descendants of the other children whose baptisms show the same parents to ask them to test

(testing at a company like FTDNA, which automatically sends you matches no matter what the surname, can also find other branches of a family or relations from farther back on a tree)

otherwise, all you have is the existence of these records that fit your James to a T, and the absence of any other records that would fit your James, which is the best many of us can do once we get back to the early 1800s and before

Thanks for everyone's help and tolerating my inadequacies in replying.
I have found James in the 1841 census at Winchester barracks confirming him as a soldier. His marriage to Amellia in 1849 confirms him in the 46th foot. A visit to the PRO in Kew found his reg number, 1401, and his death in December in the Crimea in 1854.
The Annerson connection is interesting which I have followed leads to the Annison surname.
I have a copy of the original BC James Annerson d.o.b 17/02/1820 which has Samual and Elizabeth as the parents. I also have a copy of Samual and Elizabeth, nee Hodda, has the surname Annison. How can I be sure that the these are my ancestors?

I think I have found him


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N2BS-GWY

James Annerson
England Births and Christenings
Name: James Annerson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Feb 1820
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Samuel Annerson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00024-7 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1526328


I do expect this is the same couple as Samuel and Christiana in the other baptisms

there are a few baptisms with parents Samuel Anderson and Christiana in Yarmouth around the right time

you can see all of the results here, for baptisms in Norfolk 1800-1840 with father Samuel

http://tinyurl.com/l7yzlj3

(there are duplications)


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/27CS-SY5

Name: Mary Anderson
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 24 Jun 1817
Event Place: Norwich, St. Edmunds, Norfolk, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Samuel Anderson
Mother's Name: Christian
GS Film Number: 1278797 , Digital Folder Number: 004142880 , Image Number: 1357


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J78T-X74

William Anderson
England Births and Christenings
Name: William Anderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Oct 1822
Christening Place: St. Edmond, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Samuel Anderson
Mother's Name: Christina Anderson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02256-2 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1278883 , Reference ID: 30


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/27C4-CPP

Name: Charlotta Anderson
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 03 Oct 1824
Event Place: St. Edmund, Norfolk, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Samuel Anderson
Mother's Name: Christiana
GS Film Number: 1278924 , Digital Folder Number: 004142889 , Image Number: 258



also Samuel with wife Elizabeth, a child named Christiana ... I suspect the wife was herself Elizabeth Christiana or vice versa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7NN-LM4

Name: Elizabeth Christiana Anderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Jan 1823
Christening Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Samuel Anderson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01755-8 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1526328 , Reference ID: It. 16 p185



there is certainly room for a child born in 1820

given the names, I might wonder whether they were of Scottish origin

hello there David!

have you ever managed to find James in the 1841 census?

he probably would not be with his parents at that point of course

do you know from his military records or the muster rolls -- when did he join the military?


did you already have James's marriage record showing his father as Samuel Anderson?

that info was posted above for you ...


(be sure to click below to go on to page 2 of this thread)

James is recorded in the 46th foot muster rolls.

I got this info from the muster rolls for the 46th at Kew. James lost his life in the great storm in 1854 in the Crimea.

(in answer to my question posted above, from PM also)

Chris :)

I hope he does too ... I have a PM as well:


Yes this is him. He married in 1849 in the I.O.M and went on to lose his life in the great storm in 1854 in the Crimea.
Still looking for confirmation of his birth however.



David **please** do as everybody has asked and type your replies in the box at the bottom of this page (then click 'Submit') and don't keep sending personal messages to people :-)

that is >>> do not click on people's names or on the 'Send Message' button beside their message

you do not want to send a message to any particular person

you want to add a message to this 'thread' just the way all of us are doing!


(and very soon there will be a 'page 2' for this thread so then you will need to click on the '2' at the bottom of it to go to the next page and see more replies)



so now ... can you please tell us how you know that this man died in Crimea?

Hi Potty,

David has been on to me again and I have, once again, advised him on how to find his replies.......hope he makes it back here. :-)

I too have received PMs from David, one confirming that we have the correct family and the other: "This is interesting. I have found this too and wondering if it is him"

Not sure what piece of info you are referring to David, but if that is the correct family, then it looks as if the James Anderson who married in the IOM is the same James baptised as Annerson. freereg also has the baptism and gives Samuel's occupation as sailor.

I have received a message from David who is under the misapprehension that I am the person who has helped him and that I work for GR. I hope I have put him straight. :-D


I have advised him to respond on here as you have all been so kind in trying to help him.

David.....if you make it back here, you need to answer the questions you have been asked because it will help folk to continue helping you. Good luck. Cx

Chris, the tree on Ancestry has his death a 1854, Scarborough but no source.

Was wondering where the references came from, 1401, and Death info...

Chris :)


Captain Campbell, on his way back to the camp of the 46th...

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/crimea/storm.html

Margaret's baptism:

Name: Margaret Jane Anderson
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 27 Mar 1850
Event Place: St Mary's, Castletown, Isle of Man
Gender: Female
Father's Name: James Anderson
Mother's Name: Amelia
Image Number: 16

James and Amelia's marriage:

Name: James Anderson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1849
Event Place: Malew, Isle of Man
Residence Place: Castletown Barracks
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Samuel Anderson
Spouse's Name: Amelia Horton
Spouse's Residence Place: Quay Castletown
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Father's Name: Philip Horton

Edit:
Both of above from familysearch

Possibly James & Amelia married in the IOM but bmd records only started there in 1884.

Amelia and Margaret in 1851:

1851 England Census
Amelia Anderson, Soldier's wife

Age:27
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1824
Relation:Lodger
Gender:Female
Where born:Rauwin, Cheshire, England (Runcorn)
Civil Parish:Scarborough
Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas
Town:Scarborough

James Hewett 60
Ellen Hewett 59
William Hewett 20
James Hewett 17
Elizabeth Hawkswell 21
Amelia Anderson 27
Margaret Jane Anderson 1, b IOM