Military Chat

Hello,

I am trying to trace my my great great grandad.
He is called Charles Thompson, served and died in ww1.

I have no date of birth, or date of death.
I am stumped, I can't find him, I have no information to link to him to know which one was my grandfather.

Help?!

Welcome to the boards Jenna.

Have you worked backwards from yourself, your parents and your grandparents so that you have some idea of where your ancestors were born?

If you work backwards you should get to a point where one of your ancestors is on the 1911 census which will make it easier to find the correct Charles Thompson from those whose deaths are recorded on the Commonwealth War Graves site.

If you want to give more details then someone will try to help you.

Is he from your mother or your father's side of the family?

Kath. x

Yes I have worked back and got stuck at Charles.

They are all from the west yorkshire area, he got married in barnsley in 1912.
I have searched for his birth certificate and can't find which one he is as I don't know when he was born. I'm guessing maybe 1885-1985.

I have searched him, his wife and children in the census and no luck.
I'm guessing they wont be on the 1922 one as they were'nt married, then he went to war and died so won't have been home for the 1921 census.

He is my mums, dads, dads, dad.

I have check the Commonwealth War Graves site and narrowed it down to two men I think as my mum is positive he was in a yorkshire regiment and does not have a middle name

x

Which marriage is his?

Have you bought the marriage cert which would normally give the name and occupation of both Charles and his father - you might then be able to pick them up in the 1911 census.

Marriages Mar 1912
Hough Mary J Thompson Barnsley 9c 245
Thompson Charles Hough Barnsley 9c 245

Marriages Jun 1912
Thompson Charles West Barnsley 9c 351
West Sarah M Thompson Barnsley 9c 351

Do you know when any child/children of the marriage was/were born, which should help confirm which marriage is correct if you don't know already.

What age does he give on the marriage certificate - if you have it.

Kath. x

He married Mary Jane Hough.
I am going to purchase his marriage certificate.
We was supposed to inherit his badges and everything to do with the war he was in but another family member sold them so I can't even find out his soldier number.

x

No need to purchase the marriage cert - the original church record is on Ancestry - if you do not have access I can send it to you. Details:


West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Mary Jno Hough - image is Mary Jane
Mary Jno Hough

Birth Year:abt 1893
Age:19
Marriage or Bann Date:3 Feb 1912
Parish:Woolley, St Peter with West Bretton
Father's Name:Charles Hough , Miner
Spouse's Name:Charles Thompson - miner, aged 22
Spouse's Father's Name:Charles Thompson, deceased, no occupation

The couple were living at Darton Woolley; witnesses Ethel Bird and John Mitchell.

A point to note - quite often a "deceased" father meant the person was illegitimate.

????

A Boarder in 1911?


Name: Charles Thompson
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Darton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Royston
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: Dean St Darton Barnsley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Colly Bye Workman
Registration district: Barnsley
Registration District Number: 507
Sub-registration district: Darton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 27555

Household Members:
Name Age
Aleander Pybone 46
Sharlott Wroe Pybone 36
Joseph Pybone 14
Louisa Pybone 12
Nelly Pybone 10
Rhoder Pybone 7
Alice Pybone 6
Norah Pybone 3
Charles Thompson 21<<<<<<<<<<<

Unfortunately it's a common name....

Census 1911

This one has no occupation recorded:

Name: Charles Thompson
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 37 Summer Street
Registration district: Barnsley
Registration District Number: 507
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 27575

Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Goodliffe 48
Selina Goodliffe 42
Annie Goodliffe 21
Edward Goodliffe 18
Ernest Goodliffe 14
Elsie Goodliffe 10
Doris Goodliffe 4
Charles Thompson 21<<<<<<<<
Sarah Thompson 63<<<<<<<<<
Lewis Christon 25

Possible for Charles in 1911 - POB on image is "not Known":


Name:Charles Thompson
Age in 1911:21
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1890
Relation to Head:Boarder
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Darton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish:Royston
County/Island:Yorkshire-West Riding
Country:England
Street address:Dean St Darton Barnsley
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:Colly Bye Workman
Registration district:Barnsley
Registration District Number:507
Sub-registration district:Darton
ED, institution, or vessel:11
Piece:27555
Household Members:
Aleander Pybone 46
Sharlott Wroe Pybone 36
Joseph Pybone 14
Louisa Pybone 12
Nelly Pybone 10
Rhoder Pybone 7
Alice Pybone 6
Norah Pybone 3
Charles Thompson 21

Possible?


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Charles Thompson
Birth Place:Bermondsey, Middlesex
Death Date:1 Jul 1916
Death Location:France & Flanders
Enlistment Location:Barnsley
Rank:Private
Regiment:York and Lancaster Regiment
Battalion:14th (Service) (2nd Barnsley) Battalion
Number:14/328
Type of Casualty:Killed in action
Theatre of War:Western European Theatre

From the Commonwealth War Graves site - no extra info

THOMPSON, CHARLES
Rank:PrivateService No:14/328
Date of Death:01/07/1916
Regiment/Service:York and Lancaster Regiment 14th Bn. Panel Reference
Pier and Face 14 A and 14 B.Memorial
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Thank you for all of the information!

No i don't have access to ancestry, so thank you for that information!

I have now got contact with other family members so really hoping to get hold of his service number or possibly what regiment he was in. Well any information really.

I will look into all of these possibilitys but like said before it was a very common name and with no other information its proving quite difficult

I have just found the Banns for Mary & Charles's marriage: his parish is given as Darton and hers as Woolley (she is there with her family in 1911). The Charles living with the Pybone family seems the best match. I will send Jenna both the images.