Military Chat

That's very true Flip, probably easier to say your parents are married than to explain why they are not.

The witnesses on the marriage certificate was the brides sister ( my Mum ) and a friend .

How well do they check what is on a marriage certificate - I've no idea in Scotland.

Just thinking, if they didn't check (and they didn't in England) then he could have put anything on his marriage, she could have been called Bloggs, Smith, Jones etc...... by the time of the marriage or her death.

Do the witnesses give any clues, maybe related to him?

Thanks again for this Flip, very interesting,

Thomas still not married though, still not been able to find a marriage for him to Janet McLachlan so I am presuming they never got hitched even though they had a son Thomas in 1915 and she is shown as janet McFadyen on her son's marriage certificate in 1938 and deceased by then .

Still can't find a death for her in Glasgow either with McFadyen or McLachlan but I will keep looking,

You're welcome Jean. A bit more detail from the service records as you think they are your McFadyen's

Thomas was 5' 1/2", 35" chest and had a scar on left thigh. He served in France 8/5/17 - 17/11/19. He applied for a pension and was awarded 5s 6d from 9/9/1920 - marital status was still single.. His disability was loss of teeth.

Hugh was 5' 21/2" weighed 118ibs. He was 22y 10m when joined 22/2/15 and a painter - he was discharged 5 days later, it states he had defective vision. He married Jane Forrester in August 1910, it dosen't say when she died, but his son was 4 years old.

Thank you very much for looking Flip .

Sorry, but nothing that I can see in military records held on ancestry for either John or James, but as you will be aware a lot of records were destroyed in WW2 bombings.

Also, I can't see a probate record for Thomas who died in 1952 - although I'm not very well up on Scotland records, but other deaths in Scotland have been recorded in ancestry's probate records. Including one for a James McFadyen and his wife Jenny (otherwise Janet) both of The Maples, Whitehill Ave, Glasgow who died in 1951 & 1950 respectively. Probably not related though.

I can't see anything for James on ancestry, there is one but he died and all his "blood" family were listed and it's not your James.

I don't think you'll find an army record for John, but I'll take a look. If the one you referred to in your earlier post is your John, then he was a seaman - so more likely to have been classed as a protected occupation and maybe served with the merchant navy. They needed seamen just as much as soldiers.

Hello again,
Could I ask another big favour please .
This is for Thomas's 2 brothers.
Could someone please look at the service records for James McFadyen, 5, Newton Street, Glasgow. They might show if he was married also.

Also for John McFadyen b c1876.

thanks once again

Thank you flip for all this information and sorry for the late reply.

A very kind person has found what we believe to be Thomas's death certificate in 1952 in Glasgow, showing him to be single , and parents as James and Annie nee Berry , and his brother Hugh as the informant.

I am pretty sure the census you found are my Thomas and his family going by the address, and thanks also for the service records for Thomas and his brother Hugh.
I now have Hugh's wife name which is a big bonus .

Thank you all once again

His brother Hugh also enlisted, but was approved for discharge. He gave the same address as Thomas, naming his mother as nok. The record shows he married Jane Forrester in 1910, but she had died. He had a 4 year old son John in 1915.

I think the Thomas on the earlier military record posted by Kath re-enlisted in Dublin, 1914 - stated he had previously service in the RFA. He named his nok as wife Elizabeth of 12 New Row Chapel??(can't make it out), Dublin. He was discharged within the month as unfit.

Also, there is this military record on which he names his next of kin as his father James, although I don't know if it is your Thomas:

Thomas McFadyen
Gender:Male
Birth Date:abt 1887
Age at Enlistment:29
Residence Place:5 Newton Street, Partick Glasgow
Document Year:1916
Regimental Number:380848
Regiment Name:Royal Scots Fusiliers
Number of Images:14
Form Title:Record of Service

His age is stated as 29y 3m when he joined 12/4/1916, a labourer and not married. There is no mention of any children. He appears to have transferred to the labour corps at some point, was discharged 14/12/1919.

If the census is the right family, they were living at 7 Newton street in 1881, it's a pain not being able to view the images though as the ages for parents are way out between 1891/01.

Annie McFadyen
Age:25
Estimated birth year:abt 1856
Relationship:Wife
Spouse's name :James McFadyen
Gender:Female
Where born:Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number:646/2
Registration district:Partick
Civil Parish:Partick
Town:Partick
County:Lanarkshire
Address:7 Newton St
ED:1
Household schedule number:51
LINE:24
Roll:cssct1881_257
Household Members:NameAge

James McFadyen 26
Annie McFadyen 25
John McFadyen 5
William McFadyen 1

The 1901 ages are really doubtful - if that was James's mother living with them she would have been 48 when he was born, not impossible but unlikely.

In case you want it - they were at the same address in 1891. And a riverters boy (as on 1901) would be the same as a platers helper in the shipbuilding industry.


Thomas McFadyen
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1884
Relationship:Son
Father's Name:Jamet McFadyen
Mother's name:Annie McFadyen
Gender:Male
Where born:Partick, Lanarkshire
Registration Number:646/3
Registration district:Partick
Civil Parish:Govan
County:Lanarkshire
Address:13 Newton St Private House
Occupation:Scholar
ED:1
Household schedule number:150
LINE:19
Roll:CSSCT1891_305
Household Members:NameAge

Jamet McFadyen 34 - born Ireland
Annie McFadyen 32 - born Airdrie
John McFadyen 15
Annie McFadyen 8
Thomas McFadyen 7
Jane McFadyen 3
James McFadyen 4 Mo

Joseph Smith 20 ??Son born Ireland
Catherine Smith 75 ?? mother born Ireland

Joseph Timiney 19 Lodgers
Henry Nugent 36
Joseph Larkin 39

Thanks very much MarieCeleste, This is the Thomas I have been looking for with brother Hugh.
and sorry for the late reply,

regards

There's this 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
13, Newton Street, Govan, Patrick, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

James McFadyen Head Married Male 35 1866 Shipyard Labourer Ireland
Annie McFadyen Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Glasgow, Lanark
Thomas McFadyen Son Single Male 16 1885 Rivet Boy Partick, Lanark
Jeanie McFadyen Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Scholar Partick, Lanark
James McFadyen Son Single Male 12 1889 Scholar Partick, Lanark
Hugh McFadyen Son Single Male 8 1893 Scholar Partick, Lanark
Elizabeth McFadyen Mother Widow Female 83 1818 - Ireland

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I wonder if someone could look at the 1891 and 1901 for Thomas McFadyen with parents James and Annie and hopefully brother Hugh please.

The address should be 5, Newton Street or 34.Mansfield Street, Partick, Glasgow,

Thank you

Kucinta,

Thank you, as I say I don't know who his parents were,although I have a feeling they might be a James and Annie,

regards

jean

Sorry for late reply.

Potty, thank you for looking. I don't have any information on him apart from his name on his son's birth certificate in 1915, his address on that was 34, Mansfield street, Partick, Glasgow .His son was born at Richard street, Glasgow, shown as illigitamate.
There are a few Thomas McFadyen's in Partick with parents James and Annie but really can't be sure if it is him or not and too many Thomas McFadyen's deaths on Scotlandspeople, that would cost me a small fortune to go through.

The only thing that might tie in with him is the 1914 and 1920 scottish valuation rolls which shows a John McFadyen living at 34, Mansfield Street , his occupation is Seaman and on the 1881 census there is a son John living with parents James and Annie in Newton Street, Partick , so I am thinking this might be my Thomas's brother .

Next of kin on the record Kath posted is father, Thomas, 25 Grove St Glasgow.

Also something i can't read, Robert, Roy F Arlby.

However if I'm reading the record right he enlisted in Jan 1906, and was discharged on payment of 10" on 26th march 1906, having been absent without leave on 12 march 1906.