Military Chat

annielaurie, Good point, I Have read some but not all the records so don't no for sure,

Roy

You're right Roy. I now remember which disease I was thinking of, one of those that many have to go to clinics for!!! Silly me!!! :-D

TB is bacterial infection and doesn't lay dormant you catch it from others around you and it's not passed on through the gene pool

Roy

If he was married, he wouldn't be eligible to be an in-pensioner. Haven't looked at his records but I assume the paperwork is about the decision whether to award an out-pension or not.

Just thinking out aloud. If I'm correct TB can lie dormant for years?? I'm wondering if his mother died of it?? Maybe George could have been born with it and the cold and dampness of the trenches bought it on?? Or even contracted it from working in the mills.

Good to know that it obviously didn't affect him later in life as Mick was unaware of any illness.

Not sure but it looks like he was considered for being an in-pensioner and probably had to go throught their medical assessment,

Roy

Mick, you're more than welcome. Roy (PP) has a far better knowledge about the forces than I could ever have, but I do like a good search for the unfindable. So if there's anything particular we can help you with just let us know.

Really pleased you've found the records.

Dee :-D

You're obviously both more conversant with the site to find all this out, but I've managed to find the records now. Keep looking please !!! Very grateful Mick

Thanks Roy.

I noticed that George Woods as a record, on it it says Chelsea no. And then a number. I wondered if any more info could be gleamed from that?

Dee

The term Chelsea Pensioner was used for all pensions awarded by the army upto 1955, because the Royal hospital Chelsea was the administrator of pensions for the army untill then,

So what you have is pensioners living at the royal hosptial chelsea (Known as an in-pensioners) and those who lived elswhere (Known as out-pensioners.)

Hope that helps

Roy

Roy, just a quick question, if someone is given a Chelsea number does that class them as a Chelsea Pensioner?

Thanks, Dee

I haven't been able to find his medal card either, I'll keep looking.

When his uncle died he did certainly consider him, and he is mentioned in his probate record,

Name: William Parkinson
Probate Date: 7 Apr 1926
Death Date: 16 Sep 1915
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: London, England


Again this is on ancestry.

Mick, Ancestry is free this weekend, if your quick you can get the record yourself and then save it to your PC to study later

Roy

Must also be loosing my touch, I cannot fing a medal card for him yet according to the pension record he was awarded medals :-S

Well you both certainly have been busy. I'm very grateful for all the information. You have the right George Woods because we knew he was adopted, the 'P' being Parkinson his Auntie & Uncle's name, and the home address is correct and wife's name also.
Will be interesting to read the info about his life threatening disability as wasn't aware of any in his old age. Also the reason why he was adopted as that has never been known to us.
His son George Woods Jnr is still alive at the age of 92 and its him that has prompted me to find out more, having himself served in the RAF 76 Squadron Bomber Command in the WW2.
As I'm not very conversant on the internet research sites, I'd be very grateful for any more information or contact sites you can give.
Once again thanks very much
Mick

:-)

Hi Roy,

I understand what you say, and the info was very brief. Luckily we had his DOB to work from, only 5 births in that quarter with no middle name, Mick fell lucky that I found them and even luckier that the records were still available.

Wish I had been so lucky with one of my husbands uncle, sadly I believe his records were destroyed, and unfortunately he never came home. I've managed to work out that he only survived 1 month on the front line and was killed in the 3rd battle of the Somme (?)

My own was killed by an instructor whilst he was under instruction for the Lewis gun, he was sat infront and the machine went off basically killing him outright, very very sad and I suppose for his mother even harder for her to get her head around than if he had died in battle. I have his records, letters from him to his mother, his bible, his leather dog tag and lastly a photo of him and also his white wooden named cross. His records are an interesting read with a field court hearing regarding his death. :-(

BatMansDaughter, Regimental numbers for that time were NOT unique to an individuel soldier

Each regiment had their own and so numbers were reproduced in different regiments thats why when a soldier appears on the medal card index to have served in more than one regiment they appear with more than one regimental number

example;


Medal card of Bergson, Abraham
Corps Regiment No Rank
Northumberland Fusiliers >>>>>>29779<<<<<Private



Medal card of Dove, Peter
Corps Regiment No Rank
Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment >>>29779 <<<<Private


2 Totaly different men in completely different regiments

George Woods is a very common name and Mick even added a question mark to the regimental number 29779? so even the number being searched for could be wrong

Be interesting to see what Mick says to the records you have found,

Roy

His mothers death,

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
Woods Elizabeth Ann 39 Salford 8d 118


His father in 1891,

Name: Wm H Woods
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Walton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Worsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Swinton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Worsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3150
Folio: 94
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm H Woods 42
Eliza Ann Woods 13
[18]
Esther Woods 14
Wm Henry Woods 10
Ellen Woods 8
Edward Woods 6


Can now see why George was adopted by his Uncle and Aunt, looks like the odds were set against him from the start yet your a Grandfather seemed to give it all he had, even with his live threatening disability on his WW1 records. I take my hat off to you Mr George Woods and thank you for all you gave to us.

:-)

George's parents in 1881,

Name: Elizth Anne Woods
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William H. Woods
Gender: Female
Where born: Quendon Green, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 15 Taylorson St
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourers Wife
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 77
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3975
Folio: 107
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William H. Woods 33
Elizth Anne Woods 30
Elizth Anne Woods 8
Esther Woods 3
Mary Woods 1
William Henry Woods

Just me being nosey, I think this is George's parents marriage,

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
COCKER Edward Preston 8e 685
Parkinson Elizabeth Ann Preston 8e 685 <<<<<<
RATCLIFFE Alice Ann Preston 8e 685
Woods William Henry Preston 8e 685 <<<<<<<


George's baptism,

All England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Results
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 about George Woods
Name: George Woods
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1888
Baptism Place: Chapelry of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
Father: William Henry Woods
Mother: Elizabeth Ann
FHL Film Number: 1786422
Reference ID: item 5

1891,

Name: Geo Woods
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Adopted
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: Walton le Dale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: School Lane
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Walton le Dale
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3444
Folio: 96
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Parkinson 42
Matilda Parkinson 43
M J Parkinson 17
E Parkinson 12
Mary Woodcock 79
Geo Woods 2


The reason I carried on looking for your Grandfather was because in 1911 I had a gut feeling with that extra intial that all wasn't what it seemed.