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My grandad is
Henry poynton from Murton :-)

need a lot more infor... where??? whats eliza;s year of birth?? is she the first child... :-)

Margaret.
What area are we looking at???

Hi
My grandads mother was Eliza pointon 1870 and her parents were john ward 1828 and his wife was Mary ward 1828 but can you help me get Mary's maiden name please

Thanks
Margaret :-)

Do you have a photo of him in uniform? That's about the only way you have a chance to identify his regiment

As Roy says - he might not have served in the Forces.

If the earlier 1911 census is correct, he was work in the Coal Mines. That was an important War Effort occupation. If too many young men enlisted then the country would have ground to a halt. Coal was an important resource to drive the steam engines which powered the factory machines and even some of the older Naval Vessels.

Thank you
What can I do to find his regiment?
Margaret :-(

Thank you
What can I do to find his regiment?
Margaret :-(

Mararet, According to the census for him he was born Haswell


Haswell and Murton are in the same registration district

What makes you believe he was in the army in WW1?

abt 60/70% of army WW1 service records where distroyed in WW2 bombings so you may never find any for him,

However medal cards for soldiers were stored at a seperate location so most have survived.

There are some medal cards that could be your Henry Poynton/Pointon but a medal card doen't give info to ID the soldier as YOURS unless you have his regiment and service number

Ancestry have a pension record for a Henry Poynton but it's not your man the age is 15 years out and location is wrong

Roy

THANK YOU

can anyone help me find what regiment my grandad was in

He is Henry pointon, mother Eliza
Born 1896 in Murton
Regards
Margaret :-)

Is there anything I can do to get my grandads regiment ?
Thanks
Margaret :-(

Looking on the national archives web site and using all combinations for his name spelling and in both forenames Henry and harry i cannot see a medal card with his name on for the Durham light infantry,

People often assume that ancesters from Durham served in the DLI but most never,

There are other Regiments that also have strong links to that part of the country and in most cases men were allocated to the regiments in need of manpower due to heavy losses so they never had the choice of Regiment,

There are some possible service records for his name on ancestry but i don't have subs so cannot look

Roy

Thank you so much for your help,

Can you help me the the regiment my grandad Henry poynton served
By brother thinks it's the durham light infantry :-)

You are all so kind
Thank you
Margaret



Ps nothing much on TV, but I've heard that 'who do they think they are' are filming near me as a star from coronation street has a relation in Fishburn, apparently ;-)

According to the Durham on line site Henry Poynton married Ann Fenwick 1870

Surname Forename(s) Year District
POYNTON Henry 1870 Durham Central
FENWICK Ann 1870 Durham Central

Here are the GRO details

Marriages Dec 1870
POYNTON Henry Durham 10a 557
FENWICK Ann Durham 10a 557

and his death

Deaths Dec 1872
Poynton Henry 35 Durham 10a 225

One wonders about Mary Hannah Pointon 2 - Brockley in Sum, Durham, England c1869???? No birth for her in that name

Was she born to a previous marriage?


Roy

???
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Christopher Poynton
Name: Christopher Poynton
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Registration district: Durham
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 394
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1871 England Census about Christopher Pointon
Name: Christopher Pointon
Age: 1 Month
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Pointon
Mother's name: Ann Pointon
Gender: Male
Where born: Willington, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Willington
Ecclesiastical parish: Willington St Stephen
Town: Willington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 4965
Folio: 51
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Pointon 35 - Staffordshire, England c1836
Ann Pointon 33 - Fatfield, Durham, England c1838
Mary Hannah Pointon 2 - Brockley in Sum, Durham, England c1869
>>>>Christopher Pointon 1 Month
..............

If any one wants to C&P the others, I'm off to watch the TV :-D

1881

Name: Christopher Pointon
Age: 10
stimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Ann Pointon >>>>>>down as a Windower
born:Chester Le Street, Durham, England

Gender:Male

Where born: Willington, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hetton le Hole
County/Island: Durham

Country:England

Street address: Easington Lane

Education:
employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Houghton Le Spring

Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole

ED, institution, or vessel:7
Neighbors:
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Piece:4976
Folio:35
Page Number:3
Household Members:

Name Age
Ann Pointon 40>>>>>>>>>occupation Tradeswoman
Mary Hannah Pointon 12
Christopher Pointon 10
Henry Pointon 8
Thomas Pointon 4
Ann Ellen Pointon 1
John Hughes 22
Margaret Hughes 19
Ellen Hughes 8

Roy

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Christopher Pointon
Name: Christopher Pointon
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1899
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Chester le Street
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 350

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Christopher Pointon
Name: Christopher Pointon
Probate Date: 30 Oct 1899
Death Date: 11 Aug 1899
Death Place: Durham, England
Registry: Durham, England

Of West-row Perkinsville Chester-le-Street county Durham miner. Administration to Eliza Pointon widow. Effects £13.

Adminstration means that he didn't leave a Will

Working backwards to see if it will help

1901 England Census about Eliza Pointon
Name: Eliza Pointon
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sherburn Hill, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hetton le Hole
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons St Michael and All Angels
Town: Easington Lane
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 4696 Folio: 68 Page Number: 9

Name Age
Eliza Pointon 31
Mary A Pointon 8- Easington Lane, Durham, England c1893
Eliza J Pointon 6 - Easington Lane, Durham, England c 1895
Henry Pointon 4 - Haswell
John W Pointon 2 - Perkensville, Durham, England c1899
Eliza J Dixon 19 - niece, Haswell Moor c 1882

Eliza is a widow.

..................

???
1891 England Census about Eliza Ward
Name: Eliza Ward
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Shurbers Hill, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hetton le Hole
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons
Town: Easington Lane
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4117 Folio: 113 Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ward 64 - Down, Ireland c1827 - father, widower and a miner
Charls Ward 22 -Casop Mour, Durham, England c1869 - son to John, miner
Eliza Ward 20

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1881 England Census about Eliza Ward
Name: Eliza Ward
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Ward
Mother: Mary Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Sherburn Hill, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Dawdon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 34 Princess St

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15

Piece: 4968 Folio: 100 Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ward 54 - Ireland
Mary Ward 53 - John's wife. Cumberland, England c 1828
Charlotte Ward 18 - Daughter to John and Mary - Cassop, Durham, England c1863
Eliza Ward 11

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
Pointon Christopher Houghton 10a 575
Ward Eliza Houghton 10a 575

As the marriage is after the 1891 census you will not find Christopher and Eliza together and a search for Christopher and his family in 1891 would be your next step

possible birth

Births Mar 1871
Poynton Christopher Durham 10a 394


Roy

Margaret, Recieving certs can be a very emotional experience,

On page one of this thread rootgatherer posted the 1901 and 1911 census's for Henry
Mum Eliza is listed as a widow, on the 1901 and by 1911 has marriad a Thomas holmes, Henry adopted the holmes name on that census


Deaths Sep 1899
Pointon Christopher 28 Chester le S. 10a 350


1901

Name: Henry Pointon
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Eliza Pointon
Birth Place: Haswell, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hetton le Hole
Town: Easington Lane
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Pointon 31 Widow
Mary A Pointon 8
Eliza J Pointon 6
Henry Pointon 4
John W Pointon 2
Eliza J Dixon 19 Niece


1911 census

Name: Henry Homes
[Henry Pointon]
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Haswell
Civil Parish: Ryhope
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Alice Street Ryhope
Occupation: Pony Driver In Below Pit
Registration District: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration District: Ryhope
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 30249
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Holmes 39
Eliza Holmes 39
Mary Ann Holmes 18
Eliza Jane Holmes 16
Henry Homes 14
John Homes 12
Isabella Homes 7
Annie Homes 4

Roy