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10 May 2022 19:56 |
I am trying to find living relatives of my Roberts family, my Grand father was born 1891 Denbighshire and died 1922 in Rhyl, his parents were Edwin Roberts and Jane Williams, Moses had siblings Hugh born 1878, Joseph William b 1879, Hannah b 1880, Emma b 1883, Mary Ellen b 1888.
Hugh married Jane Morris and had Gladys b 1906 she married John O'Brien, they had 2 children Hazel b 1943 and Sandra 1947.
Joseph married Ellen M Jones, they had 8 children, no names or dob's, dom's or dod's.
The rest of Moses siblings I don't have any marriages or deaths.
Joseph and Hannah were born in Llanrhaiadr, Denbigh.
I hope someone can help.
I have tried searching genes trees etc, also emailed the local paper for Denbigh, to no avail.
Ann
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10 May 2022 20:49 |
For our info - if correct family, more siblings than you mention
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Buarth Bach (Prion), Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 25 1856 Ag. laborer Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Henllan, Denbighshire, Wales Joseph Wm Roberts Son Single Male 3 1878 - Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Hannah Jane Roberts Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Bull Lane, Denbigh, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer general Denbighshire, Wales Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Nantglyn, Denbighshire, Wales Joseph W Roberts Son Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Hannah J Roberts Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Hugh Roberts Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Emma Roberts Daughter Single Femae 8 1883 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Catherine Roberts Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Mary Ellen Roberts Daughter Single Female 3 1888 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Edward Roberts Son Single Male 2 1889 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 12, Bull Lane, Denbigh, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 45 1856 Farm labourer Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Mary Ellen Roberts Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Edward Roberts Son - Male 12 1889 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Moses Roberts Son - Male 9 1892 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
and 1911? 1911 Census For England & Wales 29 Mount Pleasant Denbigh, Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 53 1858 Farm labourer Llanrhaiadr Denbigh Mary Ellen Roberts Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Denbigh Denbigh Thomas Sullivan Stepson Single Male 17 1894 General labourer Carnarvonshire Bangor
Married 1 year, no children to this marriage (? as yet)
1921 census First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County Edwin Roberts 1858 Prion, Denbighshire, Wales Henllan Urban St Asaph Denbighshire
Edwin, Mary Ellen and 1 other are on the record.
You can check 1921 census via Find My Past - you don't have to be a member, but full transcript or original record will need to be paid for
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10 May 2022 21:53 |
An Ancestry tree suggests this for Mary Ellen
Marriage 26 Feb 1910 Colne, Lancs to Samuel Taylor (1880-1948
Samuel died 19.3.1948 Prestatyn, Clywd
Mary Ellen died 17.10.1982 HM Stanley Hospital, St Asaph
So this would be them in 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales 104 Langroyd Road Colne, Colne, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Wheeler Taylor Head Married Male 31 1880 Stone mason Lancs Ulverston Mary Ellen Taylor Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Denbighshire Denbigh Evelyn Mary Taylor Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Lancs Colne
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10 May 2022 22:14 |
1939 for Samuel and Mary Ellen
2 Rosslyndale Terrace, Prestatyn, Prestatyn U.D., Flintshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Samuel W Taylor 30 Dec 1879 Male Retired Postman Married 252 1 Mary E Taylor 11 Jun 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 252 2 Megan Barlow (Taylor) 19 Apr 1918 Female Dressmaker Single 252 3 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed.
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%) Barlow Lawrence Taylor St.Asaph 11b 719 Taylor Megan Barlow St.Asaph 11b 719
? Megan born Mansfield RD
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10 May 2022 23:20 |
Joseph William Roberts in the 1911 Wales Census Name: Joseph William Roberts Age in 1911: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Son in Law Gender: Male Birth Place: Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llangerniew County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street Address: Penisar Llan Llangerniew Marital status: Married Years Married: 2 Estimated Marriage Year: 1909 Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration District: Llanrwst Registration District Number: 624 Sub-registration District: Llanrwst ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household Schedule Number: 32 Piece: 34181 Household Members: Name Age Leah Jones 56 Ellen Myfanwy Roberts 26 - Liverpool Joseph William Roberts 33 Leah Jane Nora Roberts 1 - Cork, Ireland Robert Edwin Roberts 3/12 - Llangerniew, Denbighshire, Wales
SR District/Reg Area - Cork Marriage of JOSEPH ROBERTS and ELLEN JONES on 31 October 1908 Party 1 Name JOSEPH ROBERTS [ Joseph William Roberts] Party 2 Name ELLEN JONES [ Ellen Myfanwy Jones ] Date of Event 31 October 1908 Group Registration ID 1864833 SR District/Reg Area Cork
Leah Jane Norah Roberts in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 Name: Leah Jane Norah Roberts Date of Registration: 1909Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Cork Birth Country: Ireland Volume: 5 Page: 74 FHL Film Number: 101072
ROBERTS, ROBERT EDWIN mmn JONES GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in LLANRWST Volume 11B Page 290
There were numerous later Roberts/Jones children registered in Llanrwst, but they can't all be Joseph & Ellen's children.
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2022 23:31 |
Robert Edwin Roberts in the Denbighshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1556-1994 Name: Robert Edwin Roberts Baptism Age: 0 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1911 Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1911 Baptism Place: Llangernyw, Denbighshire, Wales Father: Joseph William Roberts Mother: Alice Roberts [ Ellen Myfanwy on image]
Can't tell if he married or not. The 1929 marriage in Llanrwst isn't his - that man was born in April 1904, per 1939 Register.
??? Robert Edwin Roberts in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Robert Edwin Roberts Death Age: 67 Birth Date: 11 Jan 1911 Registration Date: Oct 1978[Nov 1978] [Dec 1978] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Colwyn Inferred County: Clwyd Volume: 24 Page: 0201
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ArgyllGran
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10 May 2022 23:58 |
Leah J N Roberts in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Leah J N Roberts Registration Date: Jan 1935[Feb 1935] [Mar 1935] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: St. Asaph Inferred County: Flintshire Spouse: Terence J Wood Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 433
Leah J N Wood in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Leah J N Wood Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 5 Nov 1909 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 22 Residence Place: Ruislip-Northwood, Middlesex, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 40 Schedule Number: 208 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: Boaf Borough: Ruislip-Northwood Registration district: Ruislip Gdns. Inferred Spouse: Terence J Wood Inferred Children: John W E Wood Household Members Age Terence J Wood 29 Leah J N Wood 30 John W E Wood 3 This record is officially closed.
Births Mar 1936 (>99%) WOOD John W E Roberts Uxbridge 3a 134
The closed record may be another son born 1938 in Uxbridge.
Leah Jane N Wood in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Leah Jane N Wood Death Age: 73 Birth Date: 5 Nov 1909 Registration Date: Oct 1983[Nov 1983] [Dec 1983] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Rhuddlan Inferred County: Clwyd Volume: 24 Page: 0561
??? John W E Wood in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: John W E Wood Registration Date: Jan 1959[Feb 1959] [Mar 1959] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Uxbridge Inferred County: Middlesex Spouse: Irene E Honeysett Volume Number: 5f Page Number: 329
John & Irene had a son in Uxbridge in 1961. He may have married in 1986 in Hertfordshire. If so, he's currently living in Uxbridge with wife and two sons - born 1993 and 1996 in Hillingdon.
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11 May 2022 09:23 |
Looking at the birth reg. for Leah (posted by AG) but on this free to use site - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Born at 193 Old Youghal Road. Mum is shown as Ellen Roberts formerly Mayfanney (a bit mixed up with her name when recorded). Joseph shows as a Sergeant in the WF - Welch Fusiliers?
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11 May 2022 09:35 |
1921 census - search result only. First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County Joseph William Roberts 1878 Denbighshire, Wales Abergele Urban St Asaph Denbighshire
Says (as shown) - Joseph William, Ellen May Jenny, Leslie Jane Norah and 5 others are on this record. Would hopefully give you the names of 5 of their other children to help research
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11 May 2022 10:22 |
??? Did Joseph remarry. Though not seeing a certain death for Ellen
1939 Register Dillons Salamis, St Asaph, St Asaph R.D., Flintshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Joseph W Roberts 03 Apr 1878 Male Postman (Retired) Married 85 1 Elizabeth (H) Roberts 17 May 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 85 2 The record for this person is officially closed. William M Roberts 04 Aug 1927 Male At School Single 85 4 Caradoc J Roberts 21 Mar 1931 Male At School Single 85 5
Joseph William's DOB would "fit" his Q2 1878 birth registration
-------- Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Jun 1931 (>99%) Roberts Caradoc J Davies St.Asaph 11b 424 Births Sep 1927 (>99%) Roberts William M Davies St.Asaph 11b 462
-------- Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%) Davies Elizabeth Roberts St.Asaph 11b 551 Morgan Martha A Squire St.Asaph 11b 551 ROBERTS Joseph Davies St. Asaph 11b 551 Squire Sidney Morgan St.Asaph 11b 551
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ArgyllGran
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11 May 2022 13:00 |
Re the 1921 census for Joseph William and family, posted by Greyghost -
as well as Joseph William, Ellen "May Jenny", and "Leslie" Jane Norah 1909
in the same household there are Robert Edwin Roberts 1911 (birth already posted) , William David Roberts 1912, Margaret Eileen Roberts 1914, Emma Josephine Roberts 1917, Joseph Stanley Roberts 1920
ROBERTS, WILLIAM DAVID mmn JONES GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in LLANRWST Volume 11B Page 615
ROBERTS, MARGARET EILEEN mmn JONES GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in ST. ASAPH Volume 11B Page 575
ROBERTS, EMMA JOSEPHINE mmn JONES GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in ST. ASAPH Volume 11B Page 469
ROBERTS, JOSEPH STANLEY mmn JONES GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in ST.ASAPH Volume 11B Page 594
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ArgyllGran
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11 May 2022 15:56 |
Re Moses's sister Hannah Jane -
ROBERTS, HANNAH JANE mmn WILLIAMS GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in RUTHIN Volume 11B Page 313
1881 and 1891 censuses are posted already.
1901: Hannah Roberts in the 1901 Wales Census Name: Hannah Roberts Age in 1901: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father: Edwin Roberts Mother: Jane Roberts Gender: Female Where Born: Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Denbigh Town: Denbigh Ecclesiastical parish: Denbigh St Marcellus St David and St Hillary and Llanfechell St Mary County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street Address: 12 Bull (Ball ?) Lane Registration District: St Asaph Sub-registration District: Denbigh ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 16 Piece: 5239 Folio: 49 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Roberts 45 Jane Roberts 45 Mary Ellen Roberts 13 Edward Roberts 12 Moses Roberts 9 Hannah Roberts 21
Can't see her definitely after 1901, though Ancestry makes a few suggestions which I haven't managed to prove.
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??? (But maybe not, given stated nationality and last residence): Hannah Roberts in the Michigan, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1903-1965 Name: Hannah Roberts Arrival Date: Jul 1910 Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan Ship Name: Campania Last Resided: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Age: 29 Birth Date: abt 1881 Birth Location: Denbigh, Wales Gender: Female Nationality: Canada Record Type: Card
Occupation: domestic. Travelled to NY on SS "Campania". Going to her friend Mrs Thomas Hughes, Wesco, Illinois.
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11 May 2022 16:30 |
Moses's sister Emma:
ROBERTS, EMMA mmn WILLIAMS GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 385
1891 census already posted
?? Emma Rushton in the 1911 England Census Name: Emma Rushton Age in 1911: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law Gender: Female Birth Place: Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales Civil Parish: Colne Country: England Street Address: 1 Lark St Langroyd Colne Lanc Marital status: Married Registration District Number: 472 Sub-registration District: Colne ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Piece: 24927 Household Members: Name Age Henry Rushton 69 William Henry Rushton 31 Emma Rushton 25 Priscilla Rushton 7/12
RUSHTON, PRISCILLA mmn ROBERTS GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in BURNLEY Volume 08E Page 228
Priscilla Rushton in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 Name: Priscilla Rushton Birth Date: 10 Sep 1910 Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1910 Parish: Foulridge, Lancashire, England Father: William Henry Rushton Mother: Emma Rushton Register Type: Parish Registers
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%) ROBERTS Emma Burnley 8e 322 RUSHTON William Henry Burnley 8e 322
Emma Rushton in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Emma Rushton Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 22 May 1884 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 32 Langroyd Road Residence Place: Colne, Lancashire, England Occupation: Housework At Home Line Number: 12 Schedule Number: 59 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: Ntzt Borough: Colne Registration district: 472a-3 Inferred Spouse: William E Rushton Inferred Children: Joseph Rushton Household Members Age William E Rushton 60 Emma Rushton 55 Joseph Rushton 26
RUSHTON, JOSEPH mmn ROBERTS GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in BURNLEY Volume 08E Page 483
?? Emma Rushton in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Emma Rushton Death Age: 70 Birth Date: abt 1885 Registration Date: Jan 1955[Feb 1955] [Mar 1955] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Nelson Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10e Page: 761
William H Rushton in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: William H Rushton Death Age: 84 Birth Date: abt 1879 Registration Date: Apr 1963[May 1963] [Jun 1963] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Burnley Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10b Page: 669
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11 May 2022 16:58 |
Priscilla Rushton in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Priscilla Rushton Registration Date: Jan 1936[Feb 1936] [Mar 1936] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration District: Conway Inferred County: Caernarvonshire Spouse: Eric ?? Woodyatt Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 673
Two possible children born - 1941 in Conway, and 1944 in Nelson.
Priscilla Woodyatt in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Priscilla Woodyatt Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 15 Sep 1910 [1910 Sep 10] Residence Date: 1939 Address: 15 Dinas Road Residence Place: Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 24 Schedule Number: 112 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: Zdgk Borough: Llandudno Registration district: 632-2 Inferred Spouse: Eric G Woodyatt Household Members Age Eric G Woodyatt 27 Priscilla Woodyatt 29 Daisy Bell 46
Priscilla Woodyatt in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Priscilla Woodyatt Death Age: 79 Birth Date: 10 Sep 1910 Registration Date: Oct 1989 Registration District: Aberconwy Inferred County: Gwynedd Volume: 25 Page: 451
Priscilla and Eric's 1944 child married in Conway in 1966, and was living in Cheshire until at least 2017.
Their 1941 child married in Conway in 1970, and was living in Wigan at least until 2011. Twins were born in 1973.
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