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Roberts Family

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Ann

Ann Report 10 May 2022 19:56

I am trying to find living relatives of my Roberts family, my Grand father was born 1891 Denbighshire and died 1922 in Rhyl, his parents were Edwin Roberts and Jane Williams, Moses had siblings Hugh born 1878, Joseph William b 1879, Hannah b 1880, Emma b 1883, Mary Ellen b 1888.

Hugh married Jane Morris and had Gladys b 1906 she married John O'Brien, they had 2 children Hazel b 1943 and Sandra 1947.

Joseph married Ellen M Jones, they had 8 children, no names or dob's, dom's or dod's.

The rest of Moses siblings I don't have any marriages or deaths.

Joseph and Hannah were born in Llanrhaiadr, Denbigh.

I hope someone can help.

I have tried searching genes trees etc, also emailed the local paper for Denbigh, to no avail.

Ann

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 May 2022 20:49

For our info - if correct family, more siblings than you mention

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Buarth Bach (Prion), Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch, Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 25 1856 Ag. laborer Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales
Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 25 1856 - Henllan, Denbighshire, Wales
Joseph Wm Roberts Son Single Male 3 1878 - Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales
Hannah Jane Roberts Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bull Lane, Denbigh, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer general Denbighshire, Wales
Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Nantglyn, Denbighshire, Wales
Joseph W Roberts Son Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Hannah J Roberts Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Hugh Roberts Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Emma Roberts Daughter Single Femae 8 1883 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Catherine Roberts Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Mary Ellen Roberts Daughter Single Female 3 1888 Scholar Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Edward Roberts Son Single Male 2 1889 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, Bull Lane, Denbigh, St Asaph, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 45 1856 Farm labourer Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Jane Roberts Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Mary Ellen Roberts Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Edward Roberts Son - Male 12 1889 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Moses Roberts Son - Male 9 1892 - Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales

and 1911?
1911 Census For England & Wales
29 Mount Pleasant Denbigh, Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edwin Roberts Head Married Male 53 1858 Farm labourer Llanrhaiadr Denbigh
Mary Ellen Roberts Wife Married Female 35 1876 - Denbigh Denbigh
Thomas Sullivan Stepson Single Male 17 1894 General labourer Carnarvonshire Bangor

Married 1 year, no children to this marriage (? as yet)

1921 census
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County
Edwin Roberts 1858 Prion, Denbighshire, Wales Henllan Urban St Asaph
Denbighshire

Edwin, Mary Ellen and 1 other are on the record.

You can check 1921 census via Find My Past - you don't have to be a member, but full transcript or original record will need to be paid for

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 May 2022 21:53

An Ancestry tree suggests this for Mary Ellen

Marriage 26 Feb 1910 Colne, Lancs to Samuel Taylor (1880-1948

Samuel died 19.3.1948 Prestatyn, Clywd

Mary Ellen died 17.10.1982 HM Stanley Hospital, St Asaph

So this would be them in 1911
1911 Census For England & Wales
104 Langroyd Road Colne, Colne, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Wheeler Taylor Head Married Male 31 1880 Stone mason Lancs Ulverston
Mary Ellen Taylor Wife Married Female 23 1888 - Denbighshire Denbigh
Evelyn Mary Taylor Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Lancs Colne

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 May 2022 22:14

1939 for Samuel and Mary Ellen

2 Rosslyndale Terrace, Prestatyn, Prestatyn U.D., Flintshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Samuel W Taylor 30 Dec 1879 Male Retired Postman Married 252 1
Mary E Taylor 11 Jun 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 252 2
Megan Barlow (Taylor) 19 Apr 1918 Female Dressmaker Single 252 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Barlow Lawrence Taylor St.Asaph 11b 719
Taylor Megan Barlow St.Asaph 11b 719

? Megan born Mansfield RD

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2022 23:20

Joseph William Roberts
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Joseph William Roberts
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Son in Law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llanrhaiadr, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangerniew
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Penisar Llan Llangerniew
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration District: Llanrwst
Registration District Number: 624
Sub-registration District: Llanrwst
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household Schedule Number: 32
Piece: 34181
Household Members:
Name Age
Leah Jones 56
Ellen Myfanwy Roberts 26 - Liverpool
Joseph William Roberts 33
Leah Jane Nora Roberts 1 - Cork, Ireland
Robert Edwin Roberts 3/12 - Llangerniew, Denbighshire, Wales


SR District/Reg Area - Cork
Marriage of JOSEPH ROBERTS and ELLEN JONES
on 31 October 1908
Party 1 Name JOSEPH ROBERTS [ Joseph William Roberts]
Party 2 Name ELLEN JONES [ Ellen Myfanwy Jones ]
Date of Event 31 October 1908
Group Registration ID 1864833
SR District/Reg Area Cork


Leah Jane Norah Roberts
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Leah Jane Norah Roberts
Date of Registration: 1909Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Cork
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 74
FHL Film Number: 101072


ROBERTS, ROBERT EDWIN mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in LLANRWST Volume 11B Page 290

There were numerous later Roberts/Jones children registered in Llanrwst, but they can't all be Joseph & Ellen's children.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2022 23:31

Robert Edwin Roberts
in the Denbighshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1556-1994
Name: Robert Edwin Roberts
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1911
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1911
Baptism Place: Llangernyw, Denbighshire, Wales
Father: Joseph William Roberts
Mother: Alice Roberts [ Ellen Myfanwy on image]

Can't tell if he married or not.
The 1929 marriage in Llanrwst isn't his - that man was born in April 1904, per 1939 Register.

???
Robert Edwin Roberts
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Robert Edwin Roberts
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1911
Registration Date: Oct 1978[Nov 1978] [Dec 1978]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Colwyn
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 0201

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2022 23:58

Leah J N Roberts
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Leah J N Roberts
Registration Date: Jan 1935[Feb 1935] [Mar 1935]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: St. Asaph
Inferred County: Flintshire
Spouse: Terence J Wood
Volume Number: 11b
Page Number: 433


Leah J N Wood
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Leah J N Wood
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1909
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Ruislip-Northwood, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 40
Schedule Number: 208
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Boaf
Borough: Ruislip-Northwood
Registration district: Ruislip Gdns.
Inferred Spouse:
Terence J Wood
Inferred Children:
John W E Wood
Household Members Age
Terence J Wood 29
Leah J N Wood 30
John W E Wood 3
This record is officially closed.



Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
WOOD John W E Roberts Uxbridge 3a 134

The closed record may be another son born 1938 in Uxbridge.


Leah Jane N Wood
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Leah Jane N Wood
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1909
Registration Date: Oct 1983[Nov 1983] [Dec 1983]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Rhuddlan
Inferred County: Clwyd
Volume: 24
Page: 0561



???
John W E Wood
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: John W E Wood
Registration Date: Jan 1959[Feb 1959] [Mar 1959]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Uxbridge
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Irene E Honeysett
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 329

John & Irene had a son in Uxbridge in 1961.
He may have married in 1986 in Hertfordshire. If so, he's currently living in Uxbridge with wife and two sons - born 1993 and 1996 in Hillingdon.

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 May 2022 09:23

Looking at the birth reg. for Leah (posted by AG) but on this free to use site - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

Born at 193 Old Youghal Road. Mum is shown as Ellen Roberts formerly Mayfanney
(a bit mixed up with her name when recorded). Joseph shows as a Sergeant in the WF - Welch Fusiliers?

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 May 2022 09:35

1921 census - search result only.
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County
Joseph William Roberts 1878 Denbighshire, Wales Abergele Urban St Asaph Denbighshire

Says (as shown) - Joseph William, Ellen May Jenny, Leslie Jane Norah and 5 others are on this record. Would hopefully give you the names of 5 of their other children to help research

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 May 2022 10:22

???
Did Joseph remarry. Though not seeing a certain death for Ellen

1939 Register
Dillons Salamis, St Asaph, St Asaph R.D., Flintshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Joseph W Roberts 03 Apr 1878 Male Postman (Retired) Married 85 1
Elizabeth (H) Roberts 17 May 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 85 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
William M Roberts 04 Aug 1927 Male At School Single 85 4
Caradoc J Roberts 21 Mar 1931 Male At School Single 85 5

Joseph William's DOB would "fit" his Q2 1878 birth registration

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Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
Roberts Caradoc J Davies St.Asaph 11b 424
Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
Roberts William M Davies St.Asaph 11b 462

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Davies Elizabeth Roberts St.Asaph 11b 551
Morgan Martha A Squire St.Asaph 11b 551
ROBERTS Joseph Davies St. Asaph 11b 551
Squire Sidney Morgan St.Asaph 11b 551


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2022 13:00

Re the 1921 census for Joseph William and family, posted by Greyghost -

as well as Joseph William, Ellen "May Jenny", and "Leslie" Jane Norah 1909

in the same household there are
Robert Edwin Roberts 1911 (birth already posted) ,
William David Roberts 1912,
Margaret Eileen Roberts 1914,
Emma Josephine Roberts 1917,
Joseph Stanley Roberts 1920




ROBERTS, WILLIAM DAVID mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in LLANRWST Volume 11B Page 615

ROBERTS, MARGARET EILEEN mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in ST. ASAPH Volume 11B Page 575

ROBERTS, EMMA JOSEPHINE mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in ST. ASAPH Volume 11B Page 469

ROBERTS, JOSEPH STANLEY mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in ST.ASAPH Volume 11B Page 594

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2022 15:56

Re Moses's sister Hannah Jane -

ROBERTS, HANNAH JANE mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in RUTHIN Volume 11B Page 313


1881 and 1891 censuses are posted already.

1901:
Hannah Roberts
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Hannah Roberts
Age in 1901: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father: Edwin Roberts
Mother: Jane Roberts
Gender: Female
Where Born: Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Denbigh
Town: Denbigh
Ecclesiastical parish: Denbigh St Marcellus St David and St Hillary and Llanfechell St Mary
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 12 Bull (Ball ?) Lane
Registration District: St Asaph
Sub-registration District: Denbigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 16
Piece: 5239
Folio: 49
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Roberts 45
Jane Roberts 45
Mary Ellen Roberts 13
Edward Roberts 12
Moses Roberts 9
Hannah Roberts 21


Can't see her definitely after 1901, though Ancestry makes a few suggestions which I haven't managed to prove.

.

??? (But maybe not, given stated nationality and last residence):

Hannah Roberts
in the Michigan, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists, 1903-1965
Name: Hannah Roberts
Arrival Date: Jul 1910
Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan
Ship Name: Campania
Last Resided: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1881
Birth Location: Denbigh, Wales
Gender: Female
Nationality: Canada
Record Type: Card

Occupation: domestic.
Travelled to NY on SS "Campania".
Going to her friend Mrs Thomas Hughes, Wesco, Illinois.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2022 16:30

Moses's sister Emma:


ROBERTS, EMMA mmn WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 385

1891 census already posted


??
Emma Rushton
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emma Rushton
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Colne
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Lark St Langroyd Colne Lanc
Marital status: Married
Registration District Number: 472
Sub-registration District: Colne
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 24927
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Rushton 69
William Henry Rushton 31
Emma Rushton 25
Priscilla Rushton 7/12


RUSHTON, PRISCILLA mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in BURNLEY Volume 08E Page 228


Priscilla Rushton
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Priscilla Rushton
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1910
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1910
Parish: Foulridge, Lancashire, England
Father: William Henry Rushton
Mother: Emma Rushton
Register Type: Parish Registers


Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
ROBERTS Emma Burnley 8e 322
RUSHTON William Henry Burnley 8e 322



Emma Rushton
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Emma Rushton
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 22 May 1884
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 32 Langroyd Road
Residence Place: Colne, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Housework At Home
Line Number: 12
Schedule Number: 59
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Ntzt
Borough: Colne
Registration district: 472a-3
Inferred Spouse:
William E Rushton
Inferred Children:
Joseph Rushton
Household Members Age
William E Rushton 60
Emma Rushton 55
Joseph Rushton 26


RUSHTON, JOSEPH mmn ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in BURNLEY Volume 08E Page 483


??
Emma Rushton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emma Rushton
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Jan 1955[Feb 1955] [Mar 1955]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Nelson
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 761


William H Rushton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William H Rushton
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: abt 1879
Registration Date: Apr 1963[May 1963] [Jun 1963]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 669

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2022 16:58

Priscilla Rushton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Priscilla Rushton
Registration Date: Jan 1936[Feb 1936] [Mar 1936]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Conway
Inferred County: Caernarvonshire
Spouse: Eric ?? Woodyatt
Volume Number: 11b
Page Number: 673


Two possible children born - 1941 in Conway, and 1944 in Nelson.


Priscilla Woodyatt
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Priscilla Woodyatt
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1910 [1910 Sep 10]
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 15 Dinas Road
Residence Place: Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 24
Schedule Number: 112
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Zdgk
Borough: Llandudno
Registration district: 632-2
Inferred Spouse:
Eric G Woodyatt
Household Members Age
Eric G Woodyatt 27
Priscilla Woodyatt 29
Daisy Bell 46


Priscilla Woodyatt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Priscilla Woodyatt
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1910
Registration Date: Oct 1989
Registration District: Aberconwy
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Volume: 25
Page: 451


Priscilla and Eric's 1944 child married in Conway in 1966, and was living in Cheshire until at least 2017.

Their 1941 child married in Conway in 1970, and was living in Wigan at least until 2011. Twins were born in 1973.