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Unknown

Unknown Report 8 Apr 2022 19:24

Looking for relatives of my dad, Norman C Kemp and grandfather, Henry C Kemp. Henry was born in Gorleston, 1891, and emigrated to Haifa. Grandmother was Julia(?) Allured. Dad was born in 1925, moved to Cyprus, married, and moved to Canada, and finally the US. Dad had a younger sister, Gladys. I know of one great-aunt, Molly.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Apr 2022 20:05

Look in ‘search all member trees’
If anyone has the names in a GR tree, send a contact message and hope for a response

Have you tried researching?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Apr 2022 20:09

Looks like Henry married in Israel……to Julia Rashid

Henry’s MOTHER was Allured (Martha). Married in 1878

Henry had 3 siblings listed on 1901 census, Edith, Arthur and Annie

The family had moved to Essex by 1911

EDITED 9/4
Census records added below

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Apr 2022 20:34

Norman Charles Kemp
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Norman Charles Kemp
[Norman C Kemp]
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1925
Birth Place: Jerusalem, Israel
Death Date: 29 Nov 1992
Father:
Henry C Kemp
Mother:
Julia Rashed
SSN: 565666628
Notes: Oct 1962: Name listed as NORMAN CHARLES KEMP; 04 Dec 1992: Name listed as NORMAN C KEMP


Birth

Norman Charles Kemp
in the UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969
Name: Norman Charles Kemp
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1925
Birth Place: Jerusalem, Palestine
Event Type: Birth
Father: Henry Charles Kemp occ merchant British by birth
Mother: Julia Kemp Rashid
Piece Description: RG 33: Foreign Registers and Returns, 1627-1960
Reg by father 28 the Oct 1925
Home address PO Box 46 Jerusalem

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Apr 2022 21:19

Annie married James T Horsman

Births of children can be found on freebmd

1939 Register
52 Whitehall Lane, Grays, Thurrock U.D., Essex, England

James T Horsman 14 Oct 1894 Male Warehouse Foreman Docks Married 235 1
Annie A Horsman 16 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 235 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Victor James Horsman 19 Aug 1931 Male - - 235 5
The record for this person is officially closed.

Name: Annie Allured Horsman
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1897
Death Date: Abt 1982
Death Place: Lara, Victoria
Registration Date: 1982
Registration Place: Australia
Father: Walter Kemp
Mother: Ann Martha

Name: Annie Allured Horsman
Death Date: 20 Jul 1982
Cemetery: Altona Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Altona, Hobsons Bay City, Victoria, Australia


Name: James Thomas Horsman
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1895
Death Date: Abt 1962
Death Place: Yarra, Victoria
Registration Date: 1962
Registration Place: Australia
Father: Thomas James
Mother: Elizabeth Underwood
Registration Number: 1281

Emigrated 1953

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Apr 2022 21:48

Welcome to the boards, Diana -

You say you're "looking for" relatives, and have posted on the "Find Living Relatives" board. Are you hoping to make contact with living relatives?

(Sounds like a silly question, I know, but sometimes people post here when they really mean they want to know about ancestors.)

It's almost certain that none of your relatives will see your query here.
You'll need to be proactive. As ErikaH says, search for names you know in "Search all member trees" - under "Search" at top right of this page - and contact the tree owner if you find any known relatives on anyone's tree.

Do you know if Gladys married? (Though I can't see any record of her apart from her birth.)

Her birth for our reference:

Gladys Mayr Kemp
in the UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969
Name: Gladys Mayr Kemp
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 Nov 1926
Birth Place: Jerusalem, Palestine
Event Type: Birth
Father: Henry Charles Kemp
Mother: Juliua Kemp Rashed
Piece Description: RG 33: Foreign Registers and Returns, 1627-1960

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Apr 2022 11:20

Name: David Sidney Horsman
Birth Date: 24 May 1934
Death Date: 25 Dec 2008
Cemetery: Flinders Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Lara, Greater Geelong City, Victoria, Australia

Brother of Eileen and Barbara

Name: Eileen Joan Horsman
Gender: Female
Electoral Date: 1980
Electoral Place: Sutherland, Corio, Victoria, Australia

Can't see anything for Barbara other than her birth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Apr 2022 11:24

HORSMAN, VICTOR JAMES 1931
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2008 in BRENTWOOD (4661B) Reg 1B004 Entry Number 501106248

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)
Horsman Victor J Leyland Thurrock 4a 2018
LEYLAND Louvaine M M A HORSMAN Thurrock 4a 2018

One son - find birth on freebmd
A musician, there is info about him in the London Gazette in 2018
He married in 2003

HORSMAN, LOUVAINE MARY MARGARET 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2006 in BRENTWOOD (4661B) Reg B71B Entry Number 268

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Apr 2022 11:36


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bells Marsh Road, Gorleston, Mutford, Suffolk & Norfolk, England
Walter Kemp Head Married Male 24 1857 Sailmaker Barking, Essex, England
Martha A Kemp Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Harleston, Norfolk, England
Emma E Kemp Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Gorleston, Suffolk, England
Ethel S Kemp Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Gorleston, Suffolk, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Blackwall Reach, Gorleston, Mutford, Suffolk & Norfolk, England
Walter Kemp Head Married Male 33 1858 Tail maker Barking, Essex, England
Aartha A Kemp Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Harleston, Norfolk, England
Ellen R Kemp Daughter Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Suffolk, England
Edith M Kemp Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Suffolk, England
Walter R Kemp Son Single Male 3 1888 Scholar Suffolk, England
Nellie M Kemp Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Suffolk, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
112, Trafalgar Road West, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Martha A Kemp Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Harleston, Norfolk, England
Edith M Kemp Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Nurse maid domestic Suffolk, England
Henry C Kemp Son - Male 9 1892 - Suffolk, England
Arthur R Kemp Son - Male 7 1894 - Suffolk, England
Annie A Kemp Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Suffolk, England

1911 Census For England & Wales
6 Richmond Road Grays Thurrock, Grays Thurrock, Essex, England
Walter Kemp Head Married Male 54 1857 Sailmaker Barking Essex
Martha A Kemp Wife Married Female 54 1857 - Harlestop Norfolk
Edith May Kemp Daughter Single Female 25 1886 - Gorleston Suffolk
Henry Charles Kemp Son Single Male 19 1892 Grocers assisant Gorleston Suffolk
Arthur Robert Kemp Son Single Male 17 1894 Boot repairer Gorleston Suffolk
Annie Allured Kemp Daughter Single Female 14 1897 School Gorleston Suffolk

NINE children - Four have died

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Apr 2022 11:37

Henry and siblings in 1911, for our reference:

Edith May Kemp
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith May Kemp
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gorleston, Suffolk
Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock
Country: England
Street Address: 6 Richmond Road, Grays, Thurrock, Essex
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Assistant Grocer
Registration District Number: 192
Sub-registration District: Grays
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 9967
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Kemp 54
Martha A Kemp 54
Edith May Kemp 25
Henry Charles Kemp 19
Arthur Robert Kemp 17
Annie Alland Kemp 14


Edith's marriage:

Edith M Kemp
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Edith M Kemp
Registration Date: Jan 1923[Feb 1923] [Mar 1923]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Orsett
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Walter L Dickson
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 772


Edith May Kemp
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: Edith May Kemp
Gender: Female
Marriage Place: Essex, England
Father: Walter Kemp
Spouse: Walter Landall Dickson
Search Photos:
Source Description: Marriage Register; Service of Church: Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials; Incumbent; Grays Thurrock, St Peter and St Paul; Parish Records;1922-1928


Her husband's death:

Walter L Dickson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter L Dickson
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Jul 1929[Aug 1929] [Sep 1929]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Orsett
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 418


Edith M Dickson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Edith M Dickson
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 3 May 1885
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 2
Residence Place: Thurrock, Essex, England
Occupation: Housekeeper
Line Number: 31
Schedule Number: 217
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Dcly
Borough: Thurrock
Registration district: 192-1
Household Members Age
Edith M Dickson 54
Joseph Elsdon 71
Charles E Moore 54
Frederick W Moore 52


Edith M Dickson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Edith M Dickson
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Oct 1965[Nov 1965] [Dec 1965]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1018


One son:

Births Sep 1926 (>99%)
Dickson Peter Kemp Orsett 4a 978

Married Joan Nora Bodell in Thurrock in 1954.

Deaths:

DICKSON, JOAN NORA 1927
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2020 in ESSEX (463-1B) Entry Number 520281980

DICKSON, PETER 1926
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2013 in ESSEX (463-1D) Entry Number 507929596

They had two sons in the 1950's.
Their names are easily found on FreeBMD.

The older son probably married in 2002, but there's no sign of him or his wife on the ER after 2005.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Apr 2022 11:43

Name: Arthur Robert Kemp
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 2 Sep 1893
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1893
Baptism Place: Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk, England
Father: Walter Kemp
Mother: Martha Ann Kemp

Name: Arthur Robert Kemp
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1894
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1926
Marriage Place: Dormansland, St John, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Dormansland
Father: Walter Kemp
Spouse: Gertrude Blanche Hill

1939 Register
The Villa Dormans Land, Lingfield, Godstone R.D., Surrey, England
Arthur R Kemp 02 Sep 1893 Male Incapacitated Married 260 1
Gertrude B Kemp 16 Oct 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 260 2

Name: Arthur Robert Kemp
Age: 57
Birth Date: abt 1894
Death Date: abt 1951
Burial Date: 21 Feb 1951
Burial Place: St John, Dormansland, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Dormansland

Name: Gertrude Blache Kemp
Death Age: 97
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1892
Registration Date: Feb 1990
Registration District: Surrey South-eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 992

Name: Gertrude Blanche Kemp
Death Date: 17 Feb 1990
Death Place: Lingfield Sy
Probate Date: 12 Mar 1990
Probate Registry: Brighton

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Apr 2022 13:01

Walter Robert
County Suffolk
Last name Kemp
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Birth year 1887
Archive reference PD 671/117
Birth date 03 Sep 1887
Register year range 1887-1897
Baptism year 1887
Page 9
Baptism date 02 Nov 1887
Document Type Parish registers
Father's first name(s) Walter
Record set Norfolk Baptisms
Father's occupation Sail Maker
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Martha Anne
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Collections from England, Great Britain
Diocese Norwich

Walter Robert
Country England
Last name Kemp
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Sex Male
Archive reference PD 671/125
Birth year 1888
Document type Parish registers
Age 4
Event Burials
Burial year 1892
Year range 1891-1901
Burial date 09 Apr 1892
Page 12
Residence Gorleston
Record set Norfolk Burials
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Diocese Norwich
Subcategory Parish Burials
County Suffolk

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Apr 2022 13:06

Nellie Maud
County Suffolk
Last name Kemp
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Birth year 1889
Archive reference PD 671/117
Birth date 18 Sep 1889
Register year range 1887-1897
Baptism year 1890
Page 84
Baptism date 17 Dec 1890
Document Type Parish registers
Father's first name(s) Walter
Record set Norfolk Baptisms
Father's occupation Sail Maker
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Martha Ann
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Collections from England, Great Britain
Diocese Norwich

Nellie Maud
Country England
Last name Kemp
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Sex Female
Archive reference PD 671/125
Birth year 1890
Document type Parish registers
Age 2
Event Burials
Burial year 1892
Year range 1891-1901
Burial date 09 Apr 1892
Page 13
Residence Gorleston
Record set Norfolk Burials
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Diocese Norwich
Subcategory Parish Burials
County Suffolk

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Apr 2022 13:28

1921 shows living with Martha, Annie, Edith Mary (1858) and Walter
Mary Kemp, born c1914 Camberwell

Her birth registration in 1913 suggests that she was illegitimate

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Apr 2022 13:38

Annie Allured
County Suffolk
Last name Kempe
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Birth year 1896
Archive reference PD 671/118
Birth date 16 Nov 1896
Register year range 1897-1904
Baptism year 1900
Page 44
Baptism date 14 Oct 1900
Document Type Parish registers
Father's first name(s) Walter
Record set Norfolk Baptisms
Father's occupation Sailmaker
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Martha Ann
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Collections from England, Great Britain
Diocese Norwich

Annie Allured
Father's occupation Soil Maker
Last name Kemp
Spouse's father's first name(s) James Frederick Davey
Marital status S
Spouse's father's last name Horsman
Residence Grays Thurrock
County Essex
Marriage year 1922
Country England
Marriage date 30 Oct 1922
Archive Essex Record Office
Place Grays Thurrock, Ss Peter & Paul
Archive reference D/P 382/1/27
Spouse's first name(s) James Thomas
Event type Marriages
Spouse's last name Horsman
Page number 8
Spouse's marital status B
Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
Spouse's residence Grays Thurrock
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Walter
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's last name Kemp

1939 Register
52 Whitehall Lane, Grays, Thurrock U.D., Essex, England
1939 register badge
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Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
James T Horsman 14 Oct 1894 Male Warehouse Foreman Docks Married 235 1
Annie A Horsman 16 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 235 2

The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.
Victor James Horsman 19 Aug 1931 Male - - 235 5

4 children born orsett
1923, 25, 31, 34

The record for this person is officially closed.

Victor J
County Essex
Last name Horsman
Country England
Marriage quarter 3
Volume 4A
Marriage year 1953
Volume as transcribed 4A
Registration month -
Page number 2018
MarriageFinder™ Victor J Horsman married one of these people
Louvaine M M A Leyland

son born 1960 thurrock marrieed 2003 thurrock

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Apr 2022 15:00

Ethel Sarah
County Suffolk
Last name Kemp
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Birth year 1880
Archive reference PD 671/115
Birth date 14 Jun 1880
Register year range 1879-1883
Baptism year 1880
Page 24
Baptism date 10 Oct 1880
Document Type Parish registers
Father's first name(s) Walter
Record set Norfolk Baptisms
Father's occupation Sail Maker
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Martha Ann
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk
Collections from England, Great Britain
Diocese Norwich

Ethel Sarah
Country England
Last name Kemp
Volume 4A
Birth quarter 3
Page 831
Birth year 1880
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Allured
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Mutford
Subcategory Civil Births
County Suffolk

Ethel Sarah
District Mutford
Last name Kemp
County Suffolk
Gender Female
Volume 4A
Birth day -
Page 456
Birth month -
Country England
Birth year 1880
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age 2
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 3
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1882

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Apr 2022 15:32

if you wish to go back
water kemp
father robert john b 1821 barking
married Elizabeth Ann Falloven b 1820 essex

Elizabeth Ann Fallover
Birth Date: 18 May
Baptism Date: 18 Jun 1820
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Romford, St Edward the Confessor' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: John Fallover
Mother: Susannah Fallover

Name: Robert John Kemp
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1820
Baptism Place: St. Margaret, Barking, Essex, England
Father:
Joseph Kemp
Mother:
Rosetta
FHL Film Number: 1702104
Reference ID: p 199

Name: Martha A Allured
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Allured
Mother's Name: Sarah Allured
Gender: Female
Where Born: Harleston, Norfolk, England

Unknown

Unknown Report 11 Apr 2022 01:10

Erika/Maddie - wow! Thanks so much for this information. This is a goldmine! I'll also post for living relatives - I lost touch with so many and would love to reconnect.

Unknown

Unknown Report 11 Apr 2022 01:20

What's the best way to search for living relatives? And does it only apply to those in the UK? I know some relatives emigrated to Australia and possibly South Africa, but the trail has grown cold. I contacted two members relating to Henry Kemp but never got a reply.

Unknown

Unknown Report 11 Apr 2022 05:18

My aunt Gladys married Jabra Nehme in Haifa, but I don't have much information about that. I think he died in 1969. My aunt died around 2017-18. She had four sons - Emile, Andrew, Alex, and Willilam. Alex died in 2006.