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Part of a PM from Jennifer - re the Lumby family:



Maybe this is the family in question but it is my grandma's family and I was led to believe it was granddad's family, Stacey or Moate.

Thank you fo all that you have posted, much of which I knew but some interesting new information. I'm not a paid member of Ancestry so only access free information. I will have to speak to my cousins when we all meet up again. It's been a while. I will keep on digging when I can find X marks the spot!

I appreciate all your efforts.
Jenny.

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Yes, I noticed those on Ancestry. Graham Ivan Lumby died in Torbay.

Graham I Lumby
in the UK, Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969
Name: Graham I Lumby
Appointed Date: May 1949
Appointed Place: Exeter Ta
Industry: Postal Service


Cyril's death was also in Torbay:

Deaths Dec 1982 (>99%)
LUMBY Cyril Edmund 16MY1915 Torbay 21 2490


There's this voyage. It's such an unusual name - I don't know if this is Nelyce Lumby remarried, presumably in Canada:

Nelyce Paget
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Nelyce Paget
Arrival Age: 66
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1894
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1960
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal and Quebec
Ship Name: Saxonia
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 8328/01

Travelling with Francis Paget (26/12/1884) - both married.
Going to 98 Morley Street, Heaton, Newcastle.

However, the return voyage a month later lists her as Gore, also married and travelling with Francis.

Don't know if Gore is a mistake, or if this woman is not Nelyce Lumby nee Abraham, but some other Nelyce.

Nelyce Gore
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Nelyce Gore
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 21 Jul 1960
Departure Port: England
Ship Name: Saxonia
Shipping Line: Cunard Steam Ship Company, Limited
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Master: H Ibhalmer

Last address: 98 Morley Street, Newcastle.



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Nelyce Paget
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nelyce Paget
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1894
Registration Date: Jul 1974[Aug 1974] [Sep 1974]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 2
Page: 0647

Nelyce was born in Leeds as Nellie Abraham, and emigrated to Canada with her mother and siblings in 1913

Alberta, Canada, Marriages Index,1898-1942
Name Fred Lumley
Gender Male
Marriage Date 1914
Marriage Place Islay, Alberta, Canada
Spouse Nelyce A. Abram
Certificate Number
4648


Trees on Ancestry have some details correct, and some wrong, as usual.

They have Cyril Edmund Lumby and Graham Ivan Lumby as her sons, but claim that their father was Albert Abram, which clearly doesn't make sense.
They say that Nelyce died as Nelyce Abram - but quote the Paget death above.

The trees say she had four husbands, including Fred. Two of the marriages are private.

They say she had a son on 12 Dec 1912:

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Abram Malcolm Abram Leeds 9b 752

However, that child travels to Canada with his parents, Albert and Mrs A Abram in 1915 - so his mother cannot be Nelyce who married Fred in 1914.

Macolm Abram
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Macolm Abram
Gender: Male
Departure Age: 2
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 9 Apr 1915
Departure Port: England
Ship Name: Missanabie
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Master: G C Evans


However, fascinating though it is to ramble through the records, it doesn't look as if this branch of the family had anyone who was training to be a nurse in the 1960s.

There is a marriage and a death (but no birth) in UK for Graham I Lumby born 1918 on FMP

Nelyce returning to Canada - but without Cyril and Graham:

Nelyce Lumby
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Nelyce Lumby
Gender: Female
Departure Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1894
Departure Date: 12 Jun 1936
Departure Port: England
Ship Name: Duchess Of Atholl
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Destination Port: Montreal, Canada
Master: W Busk-Wood

Last address in UK: Paresnath Bungalow, Devonshire Road, Retford.

Maybe not relevant - but at least it's a link with Canada -

Mary Lizzie Boddy's mother was Rose Lumby, born c1859 in Lincolnshire.

Rose had a brother Frederick (among other siblings), whose son went to Canada;

Rose Lumby
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Rose Lumby
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Donington Lincolnshire England
Civil parish: Donington
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Spalding
Sub-registration district: Donington
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 3319
Folio: 24
Page number: 14
Household Members Age Relationship
Edwin Lumby 40 Head
Elizabeth A Lumby 39 Wife
Frederic Lumby 14 Son <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rose Lumby 12 Daughter
Frank Lumby 10 Son
Herbert Lumby 8 Son
Lucas Lumby 6 Son
Ann Lumby 4 Daughter
Edith Lumby 2 Daughter
Mary A Lode 26 Servant


Frederick had a son, also named Frederick:

Fred Lumby
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Fred Lumby
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1857
Spouse: Mary Lumby
Child: Grace Lumby
Fred Lumby
Birth Place: Donington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Residence Place: St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England
Registration District: Nottingham
Sub registration district: Nottingham South East
ED, Institution or Vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 2702
Folio: 85
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Lumby 34
Mary Lumby 27
Grace Lumby 7
Fred Lumby 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John R Spinks 21
John G Savage 17
Joseph Wilkinson 16
Henry Millson 23
Clara Walker 13


LUMBY, FRED mmn FOX
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 370


Fred junior emigrated to Canada:

Fredk Lumby
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Fredk Lumby
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1887
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 3 Apr 1905
Arrival Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada
Vessel: Lake Champlain

He was a carpenter, from Nottinghamshire, heading for Toronto.


Fred Lumby
in the Canada, World War I CEF Attestation Papers, 1914-1918
Name: Fred Lumby
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1887
Birth Location: Halbingham, Nottinghamshire, England [Nottingham, Nottinghamshire on image ]
Residence: Edam, Rhode Island, Saskatchewan
Relative: Nelia Lumby [Nelyce on image ]
Relationship: Wife
Regiment Number: 887077


Fred Lumby
in the Canada, World War I CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918
Name: Fred Lumby
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1887
Birth Place: Halbingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Residence Place: Edam, Rhode Island, Saskatchewan
Spouse: Nelia Lumby
Regimental Number: 887077

Occupation: Dray & liveryman.
Attested: 24 Nov 1915.
Discharged as unfit for service: 14 Nov 1916.
Flat feet, myocarditis, varicose veins, pododynia.

Height: 5 ft 2.75 ins
Medium complexion, grey eyes, black hair.



Fred Lumby
in the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Name: Fred Lumby
[Fred Lumley]
Gender: Male
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Age: 29
Marital status: Married
Birth Year: 1887
Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1904
Home in 1916: Battle River, Alberta, Canada
Address: Camp Hughes
Relation to Head of Household: Head
Spouse: Nellie Lumby
Sub-District: 28
Sub District Description: Townships 51 and 52, ranges 2, 3 and 4, W. 4. M., including the Village of Islay
Enumeration District: 32
Enumerator's Name: H G Hurn
Dwelling House: 187
Military Service: Canada
Religion: Anglican
Can Speak English: Yes
Can Speak French: No
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Occupation: Soldier
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Lumby 29, soldier
Nellie Lumby 22, restaurant
Cyril Edmund Lumby 1
Annie Abram 60 - mother-in-law



A note on Fred's army record says deceased May 6th 1931.


Cyril Lumby
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Cyril Lumby [ student ]
Arrival Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1915
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1935
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Duchess of Richmond
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 160631

Travelling with Nelyce Lumby 41, housewife, and Graham Lumby 17, student.
Going to 24 West Carr Road, Retford. [ Fred's mother's address ]



Mary E Lumby
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Mary E Lumby
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 11 May 1863
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 24 West Carr Road <<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 12
Schedule Number: 217
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: RNFF
Borough: East Retford
Registration district: 426/1
Household Members Age
Mary E Lumby 76

Name: John Stacey
Death Date: 22 Jul 1969
Death Place: Nottinghamshire
Probate Date: 5 Dec 1969
Probate Registry: London

Do you have a copy of his Will?

Name: Elizabeth Kirkby
Death Date: 7 Feb 1961
Death Place: Nottinghamshire, Nottingham, England
Probate Date: 7 Jun 1961
Probate Registry: London, England
Probate to John Stacey, farmer and Helen Lamb, married woman


Name: Helen Stacey
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: East Retford
Volume: 7b
Page: 2
William Hunt
Helen Stacey

Name: Helen Hunt
Death Date: 19 Jan 1941
Death Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Probate Date: 22 Mar 1941
Probate Registry: Nottingham, England
Admin to widower


HUNT, HELEN STACEY
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 2

1911
Name: Helen Hunt
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Drakeholes, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Mattersey Everton
Country: England
Street Address: Everton Bawtry Yorks
Registration District Number: 426
Sub-registration District: Gringley
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Piece: 20179
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hunt 36
Helen Hunt 36
Helen Hunt 7

1939
West Markham, West Markham, East Retford R.D., Nottinghamshire
Ernest Lamb 25 Jan 1906 Male Master Joiner Wheelwri Undertaker & Decorator Married 13 1
Helen Lamb 02 Dec 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 13 2
The record for this person is officially closed.****
Barbara A Lancaster (Lamb) 31 Mar 1936 Female Under School Age Single 13 4


LAMB, HELEN 1903
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1994 in WORKSOP (6911A) Reg 5AA Entry Number 13

****Her husband's death

Name: Mr Martin Charles Besant
Gender: Male
Age: 89
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1922
Last Residence: Ross-On-Wye, Herefordshire, England
Postal Code District: Hr9
Death Date: 21 Mar 2011

On ER in London in 1965

Name: Fannie Stacy
Age: 0
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1873

1901
Name: Agnes Stacey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bothamsall, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: Forest Gate
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1592
Folio: 126
Page Number: 5
Household Schedule Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moate 45
Mary Jane Moate 53
Agnes Stacey 25

1939
Name: Agnes Littlewood
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1875
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 39
Schedule Number: 86
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: ROHH
Borough: East Retford
Registration district: 426-1 34
Inferred Spouse:
Fred Littlewood

Household Members Age
Fred Littlewood 61
Agnes Littlewood 64
Frederick W Littlewood 30
George R Littlewood 28
John D Littlewood 24
Hannah V Littlewood 22

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
Moate Esther Hannah E. Retford 7b 3
Stacey William E. Retford 7b 3

STACEY, AGNES MOATE
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 18
STACEY, FANNIE MOATE
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 07B Page 20
STACEY, HELEN MOATE
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD UNION Volume 07B Page 21
STACEY, ELIZABETH MOATE
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 16
STACEY, WILLIAM MOAT
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 20

This explains the reference to 'Moate'

STACEY, JOHN MOAT
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 22

and to 'Lumby'

BODDY, MARY LIZZIE LUMBY
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 20

John Stacey is in one GR tree in addition to yours - as is Mary. Have you any knowledge of/made contact with the ‘owner’?

How much research have you done?

Your uncle John 1906 married Edith Hill in 1939.

John Stacey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: John Stacey
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1906
Residence Year: 1939
Address: W.drayton.the Farm
Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Farmer (Heavy & Hard Worker)
Line Number: 44
Schedule Number: 124
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ROHH
Borough: East Retford
Registration district: 426-1 34
Household Members Age
John Stacey 33
Edith Stacey 33


They had three children, any of whom would be of a suitable age to be training in the 1960s.

John D 1940; Edith M 1942; Olive D 1949


EDIT:

Olive died in infancy, in 1949.

Olive D Stacey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Olive D Stacey
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1949
Registration Date: Apr 1949[May 1949] Jun 1949]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: east Retford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 107


Edith M married in Nottinghamshire in 1966.
But there are no online travel records for her before that - so can't prove anything either way.


John D probably married in 1960 in Nottinghamshire.

All in all, it doesn't look as if the trainee nurse was a child or grandchild of your grandfather. (Except just possibly Edith M 1942 , or Iris L 1946.)

Which leaves the search wide open!

If the person in Canada was a cousin much older than you - possibly a child of either John junior or Rose Elizabeth.


Rose Elizabeth married in 1933 .

Rose E Hilton
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Rose E Hilton
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1909
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Lea Farm
Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Domestic Duties
Line Number: 30
Schedule Number: 8
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: ROHJ
Borough: East Retford
Registration district: 426.1 36
Inferred Spouse:
George W Hilton
Household Members Age
Ellen Hilton 57
George W Hilton 32
Rose E Hilton 30
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
William Breedorn 64
Sophronia Thompson 57


Rose and George had four children:

George 1935, Margaret R 1938, Joan A 1945, Iris L 1946.


George married in 1959 in Nottinghamshire.
Margaret married in 1957 in Nottinghamshire, so the trainee nurse can't be her..
Joan married in 1962 in Nottinghamshire - so not her.
Iris married in 1968 in Nottinghamshire, so probably not her either, unless about 1962-68.

Can't see any travel record - but such relatively recent records are mostly not online.

Children (for our reference):

STACEY, JOHN mmn BODDY
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 15

STACEY, ROSE ELIZABETH mmn BODDY
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 20

STACEY, ELSIE MARY mmn BODDY
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 32

Births Dec 1921
Stacey Harold Boddy E.Retford 7b 30


A relative training to be a nurse in the 1960s was perhaps a grandchild ?
That would be one of your cousins.
Do you know much about them?

Am I correct in thinking that Elsie was your mother?

I assume this is your grandfather?

John Stacey
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John Stacey
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: William Stacey
Mother: Esther H Stacey
Birth Place: Bothamsall, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Bothamsall
Ecclesiastical parish: Bothamsall St Peter and St Mary
Town: Bothamsall
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration District: East Retford
Sub-registration District: Tuxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 3123
Folio: 120
Page Number: 5
Household Schedule Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stacey 73
Esther H Stacey 57
William Stacey 23
Elizabeth Stacey 21
Robert Stacey 19
John Stacey 15
Frederick Crossland 25


John Stacey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Stacey
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: East Retford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 26
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Lizzie Boddy
John Stacey


John Stacey
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Stacey
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bothamsall, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Darlton and Fledborough
Country: England
Street Address: The Gopps Darlton Lincoln
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Registration District Number: 426
Sub-registration District: Tuxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 20215
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stacey 25
Mary Lizzie Stacey 25
John Stacey 4
Rose Elizabeth Stacey 2


John Stacey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: John Stacey
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Farm Milton
Residence Place: East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation: Farmer Heavy Worker
Line Number: 41
Schedule Number: 34
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ROHQ
Borough: East Retford
Registration district: 426.1 43
Inferred Spouse:
Mary L Stacey
Inferred Children:
Harold Stacey
Household Members Age
John Stacey 54
Mary L Stacey 54
Harold Stacey 18


Deaths Sep 1969 (>99%)
STACEY John 11De1885 E.Retford 3c 218

Have you looked to see if anyone has the family in their tree? Look at Search then search emebers trees.

Have you actually worked out a family tree yourself to see if you can identify family members that may have gone to Canada.?

I'm looking for relatives of my late Grandfather, John Stacey. He was born in Bothamsall, Notts and farmed at Milton, Notts. In the 1960s he was in touch with a relative in Canada but I was too young to take much notice except it was someone I believe was training as a nurse. This person could have been part of the Stacey, Moate or Lumby family. There is no-one left in my family who would have any information so I'm taking the chance that someone may be able to help.
Jenny.