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It's amazing how many people do just ask to see a tree without any explanation!

I'm afraid your message to the "matches" for Mary Riordan is rather confusing.

You said,
"When Julia Riordan (Reardon)B July 20 1855 D 1935 registered her daughter Julia Cahill B 1889
D June 27 1915 Mary Riordan was listed as her grandmother, I wonder if we have the same Mary Redmond.. . ."


A woman should be listed on a family tree under her maiden name, so unless Mary was unmarried, or unless people have just listed her as Riordan because they don't know her maiden name (although they shouldn't do that) , the Mary Riordan "matches" are unlikely to be her, unfortunately.

Mary Redmond? Did you mean to say Julia Redmond or Mary Riordan?

Also, young Julia's birth was registered under the name Riordan, not Cahill.

However, hopefully an actual relative will know that she was known as Cahill later, and will understand what you mean.
It will be interesting to know if you receive any positive replies. Good luck!

As so many Irish records no longer exist, it may not be possible to find out any more about Mary.

GR doesn't have the resources to notify you of replies - and it's not exactly a hardship to come back and look

ArgyllGran
When I say matches I mean the little purple star you get on the corner of the entry. I get purple 7 I click view and get 5 matches for Mary Riordan to those 5 matches I sent the following message:-
When Julia Riordan (Reardon)B July 20 1855 D 1935 registered her daughter Julia Cahill B 1889
D June 27 1915 Mary Riordan was listed as her grandmother, I wonder if we have the same Mary Redmond. I look forward to hearing from you Take care and have fun Shell x
I don't just ask to see family tree that just rude.
I am aware that people can die and there trees remain I have matched with my Great Aunts family tree and she has sadly passed away years ago. It is frustrating as she would be a gold mine of information and it would have nice to share an interest with her.

I am finding it frustrating that these boards don't allow you upload information.
I am also a little annoyed GR don't ping you when you get a reply to a thread lol
I like Facebook you get a message to say someone has posted on thread or a thread you are following.

Take care and have fun Shell x
:-D

I'm not sure where you're finding those tree matches.

Looking at "Search all member trees" under "Search" at top right of this page, the only Julia Riordan 1854+/-1 born in Ireland is your own entry..

The only other Julia Riordan born 1855 on any tree on GR is one born in Canada, so I don't see how you can be getting "a couple of matches".

Be aware that "Tree matches" from the purple star beside names on your tree are only people who happen to have the same name and year of birth as your relative. Place of birth is not taken into account by the GR algorithm, so that "matches" are often not related to you at all.

Also be aware that when you send a message to any "owner" of a tree on GR, there is no guarantee of a reply. GR never deletes a tree, so a tree owner may have died, or changed email address, or for many other reasons may not receive your message, or be unable to reply.

Always send a proper message explaining your interest - don't just ask to see their tree, as that's likely to be ignored.


You say these "matches" give Mary Riordan as Julia's mum - how do you know that ? You can't see anyone's GR tree without the owner's permission.

It is so confusing. Thank you ArgyllGran.
On the plus side today I downloaded my GEDcom from Ancestry and have actualy managed to upload it to Genes Reunited. I now have a family tree and have a couple of tree matches on Julia Riordan and this has Mary Riordan as her mum so I have left it and that has given me 5 tree matches for her. I have reached out to try and find more information.
Take care and have fun Shell x

It's not unusual for a woman who had used a husband or partner's surname at any time, to have any or all of the surnames on, say, a later marriage or death cert, as well as her maiden name.

But confusing in this particular case, where different children have different MMNs
Riordan and Cahill are understandable (her birth surname Riordan, and her father's name Cahill by which she was known in 1901 and when she married).
Don't know where Coughlan comes from.

The surnames used on the children's birth certs would depend on what the informant in each case told the registrar.
At Elizabeth's birth, Peter said Julia's name was Riordan - which was her official birth name.
For Henry and Mary Jane's births, Julia's mother Julia was the informant, and she gave the name Cahill, which is what young Julia had been known as when growing up, and the name she used when she married.

Margaret's birth in 1913 is the puzzle.
Informant was Julia Redmond, mother - ie - young Julia herself.
It says she made her mark - but young Julia could read and write, according to the 1901 census.
And why the name Coughlan, goodness knows.
Perhaps it's a mistake by the registrar - the next birth below Margaret's has mmn Coughlan, so maybe the registrar copied the name again by mistake when transferring the details from the original papers to his final copy.
Or perhaps he thought Julia said Coughlan when she was really saying Cahill.

I have just read a post from my mum on the facebook properly and she says about JULIA CAHILL "Even stranger when she had my mother and siblings she had her name as nee Coughlan, nee Cahill, nee Riordan so it was very confusing"

Is it normal for one woman to use so many surnames?

Thanks for the Facebook link.

However, I see that the birth record for Julia Riordan, with parents Sweeney and Cahill was just a suggestion by someone on the Facebook page.

That doesn't mean it's correct! And I'm still sure it's not.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/278441113273195/posts/524886478628656

ArgyllGran
Margaret's birth, which you mention above, with parents Peter Redmond and Julia Redmond, formerly Coughlan.
Address: Sraleigh:
https://tinyurl.com/4s8vpnr2
I don't see the brother Peter's birth so far.

Peter is my mistake I have removed him from the tree after speaking to my mum. I have no idea where I got him from lol.
I have updated Julia DoB yet and I copy and paste a lot to try and answere people lol sorry IT is definitely the right birth. I will correct it on my Tree. so I don't copy and paste wrong info.
Julia Cahill
Great-grandmother
B1889
D June 27 1915 done.
Thanks for the Links.
There are 3 good pages on Facebook

Irish Genealogy Ancestors Research https://www.facebook.com/groups/278441113273195

The IRISH SURNAME REGISTRY https://www.facebook.com/groups/242472839254887

The Irish GEDmatch Registry
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1269178080205069

I joined Genes Reunited as a Standard Member on the23rd Jul 2021 I was so excited when I found 10 matches for myself and 18 for my dad. I sent a message to them explaining who I was etc and of them I have had very few responces lol.
These forums have provided no end of information Thank you!!! I just wish GR would send you a message when some one replies to a post!!!!

Margaret's birth, which you mention above, with parents Peter Redmond and Julia Redmond, formerly Coughlan.
Address: Sraleigh:

https://tinyurl.com/4s8vpnr2


I don't see the brother Peter's birth so far.

You keep saying that Julia Cahill was born 1890, but you have accepted that the 1889 Riordan (or no surname, according to you) birth is hers.

The Redmond children's births as requested:


SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Name HENRY REDMOND
Date of Birth 21 March 1911
Group Registration ID 1047612
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Sex Female [ Mistranscription - I've sent a correction ]
Mother's Birth Surname CAHILL

Parents: Peter Redmond, Kildinan, and Julia Redmond formerly Cahill.
Informant: Julia Riordan (made her mark )
https://tinyurl.com/bneevm45



SR District/Reg Area - Cork
Birth of MARY REDMOND on 06 July 1912
Name MARY REDMOND [ Mary Jane on image ]
Date of Birth 06 July 1912
Group Registration ID 981729
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname CAHILL

Parents: Peter Redmond, and Julia Redmond formerly Cahill
(Can't read the address: Grey(something? )
Informant: Julia Cahill (made her mark) - no relationship given. Presumably Julia Redmond's mother Julia Riordan now using Timothy's name Cahill.
https://tinyurl.com/t7ybwbbh



SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Birth of ELIZABETH REDMOND on 16 June 1915
Name ELIZABETH REDMOND
Date of Birth 16 June 1915
Group Registration ID 1474184
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname RIORDAN

Parents: Peter Redmond, Kildinan, and Julia Redmond formerly Riordan.
Informant: Peter Redmond, father.
https://tinyurl.com/xme26axt

Interestingly, two of Peter and Julia's children (Henry 1911 and Mary Jane 1912) have mmn Cahill.
The third, Elizabeth 1915, has mmn Riordan.
Can I have the links to these records please?


I have just read a post from my mum on the facebook properly and she says about JULIA CAHILL "Even stranger when she had my mother and siblings she had her name as nee Coughlan, nee Cahill, nee Riordan so it was very confusing"

Julia Cahill my Great-grandmother born1890 Died June 27 1915 and Peter Redmond my Great-grandfather B 1888 D1936 had 5 children. I do not have dates of birth or death for any but my Gran.
Henry Redmond, Margaret Redmond my (Grandmother Aug 28 1913 D July 1 1984), Mary Redmond, Peter Redmond, Elizabeth Redmond. Unfortunately they are dead. Elizabeth Redmond married William Cronin and Liz Cronnin did a family tree but as she has passed I can not contact her. My mum was speaking to her daughter a couple of weeks ago and I know they where chasing the wrong Peter Redmond they had him as a scholar in Dublin my mum has found Peter Redmond farm labourer Cork.
Julia died 11 days after giving birth to Elizabeth. Julia Riordan moved in and raised my gran and her family.

This is the link to my family tree I unable to upload it to Genes Reunited. It is extensive on my Dads side of the family as my dad and aunty are very much into family trees. I did not realise I could copy the link to my tree.

https://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-828472601/milford?familyTreeID=1

Face book group is Irish Genealogy Ancestors Research https://www.facebook.com/groups/278441113273195

The National archives of Ireland - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kildinan/Shanclough/1146315/

Roots Ireland ie - https://rootsireland.ie/ifhf/index.php

All help is appreciated Thank you x

Michelle has now started a new Twomey/Tatten thread on Find Ancestors.

I'm afraid I still don't understand why you believe the Julia with "parents" John Sweeney and Julia Cahill is the right one.

As Julia 1855 is unmarried in the 1901 census, I am convinced that the 1889 birth for her daughter Julia is the correct one, showing unmarried mother Julia Riordan and grandmother MARY.


I don't know what the Facebook site is that you mention, but if someone has that record on their tree, it doesn't necessarily mean it's correct.
Trees on Ancestry often have huge mistakes on them because people have clutched at a record which sounds vaguely right, without researching properly, and the same is bound to be the case on other family tree sites..


ADDED:

PM received from Michelle, confirming that the 1889 birth is the one she does believe is correct for young Julia.

However, she assumed that because no father is named, that meant that Julia was registered with no surname.

I have replied explaining that she had her unmarried mother's surname, and again pointing out the grandmother's name MARY.

I gave you the links to the Irish sites on page one…….check them out

Party 1 Name MICHAEL TWOMEY
Party 2 Name HANORA TATTAN
Date of Event 24 November 1903
Group Registration ID 1926352
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy

Name HANORAH TATTAN
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 10081198
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R

No sign on the 1911 Irish census

I shall look into these thank you

Name:
Nora M Twomey
Birth Date:
Oct - Dec 1951
Birthplace:
Mallow, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year:
Oct - Dec 1951
Registration District: Mallow
Mother's Maiden Name: Redmond
The above is my mums records which |I have been searching for thank you xxx

How could someone born in July 1855 be baptised in February 1854?????????????

Julia Cahill my Great-grandmother Born 1890 D June 27 1915

This is definately the correct information thank you

SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Death of JULIA REDMOND in 1915
Name JULIA REDMOND
Date of Death 1915
Group Registration ID 5458660
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Deceased Age at Death 26

Address: Kildinan
Labourer's wife.
Cause of death: childbirth 11 days, pneumonia 3 days.
Informant: Peter Redmond, widower.


1901.................
Residents of a house 1 in Shanclough (Kildinan, Cork)
Reardon Julia 46 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic ***NOT MARRIED***
Cahill Julia 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic

Julia Riordan (Reardon) my Great-great-grandmother B 1854 D 1935

Name: Julia Riordan Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 23-Feb-1854
Address: Lislehane Parish/District: MILLSTREET
Gender: Female County Co. Cork
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: John Sweeny Mother: Julia Cahill
Occupation: Not Recorded Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel Sweeny
Not Recorded Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Danahy

Name Julia Riordan
Date of Death 1935
Group Registration ID 1578429
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Deceased Age at Death 80

I have been able to trace a brother and sister:-

John Sweeny
Bap 28 Jul 1857
Parents John Sweeny & Julia Cahill
Address: Knocknashgrag
Parish: Millstreet
Co Cork
Sponsors: David Dee & Ellen Cahill

Mary Sweeney.
Baptism 2 Feb 1863
Parents John Sweeny & Julia Cahill
Address: Gurtnacrehy
Parish: Millstreet
Co Cork
Sponsors: John Cronin & Mary Croni

Julia Cahill (Not Mary Riordan as me and thought)
Direct ancestor (5 generations)

Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - RATHMORE
Marriage of JOHN SWEENEY of LYREAUN and JULIA CAHILL of LYREAUN
on 29 February 1840
Husband Wife
Name JOHN SWEENEY JULIA CAHILL
Address LYREAUN LYREAUN
Occupation NR NR
Father NR SWEENEY NR CAHILL
Mother NR NR NR NR
Further details in the record
Priest REV.S.O.S
Husband's Father's Occupation NR
Witness 1 PATRICK CAHILL
Witness 2 JOHN MANNIX

Thanks to all your help ErikaH ArgyllGran and nameslessone!!!!