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26 Jul 2021 10:11 |
For location, for helpers' reference -
SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy Death of JULIA REDMOND in 1915 Name JULIA REDMOND Date of Death 1915 Group Registration ID 5458660 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy Deceased Age at Death 26
Address: Kildinan Labourer's wife. Cause of death: childbirth 11 days, pneumonia 3 days. Informant: Peter Redmond, widower.
That would make her born c1888, rather than 1890 - but I can't find a record 1887 -1892 with father Timothy. Nor a marriage of Timothy Cahill and Julia Riordan.
SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy Marriage of PETER REDMOND and JULIA CAHILL on 08 September 1910 Party 1 Name PETER REDMOND Party 2 Name JULIA CAHILL Date of Event 08 September 1910 Group Registration ID 2070714 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Address of both: Kildinan, Rathcormac. Both "of full age" - which makes them both born at least c1888-1889. Fathers: Henry Redmond, labourer, and Timothy Cahill, labourer.
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26 Jul 2021 10:14 |
Michelle was asked to remove her other two threads as replies had landed on this one.
She thought she could upload her dna details to Genes - so I would presume she was looking for dna matches.
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26 Jul 2021 10:19 |
Michelle
Please remove my access to your tree.
Please also note that you should not include living people without their permission.
Thanks
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 11:08 |
1901................. Residents of a house 1 in Shanclough (Kildinan, Cork) Reardon Julia 46 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic ***NOT MARRIED*** Cahill Julia 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 11:58 |
Speculating..................(I don't usually)
Name Julia Riordan Date of Death 1935 Group Registration ID 1578429 SR District/Reg Area Cork Deceased Age at Death 80
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 13:00 |
Interestingly, two of Peter and Julia's children (Henry 1911 and Mary Jane 1912) have mmn Cahill.
The third, Elizabeth 1915, has mmn Riordan.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 13:05 |
SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy Birth of JULIA RIORDAN in 1889 Name JULIA RIORDAN Date of Birth 1889 Group Registration ID 11850072 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
DOB: 20 July 1889 at Tourgariff.
Mother: Julia Riordan No father named.
Informant: Mary Riordan, grandmother.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 13:19 |
Possible death of Mary ??
SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy Death of MARY RIORDAN in 1900 Name MARY RIORDAN Date of Death 1900 Group Registration ID 4462390 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy Deceased Age at Death 75
DOD: 9 Nov 1900 Address: Shanbally Labourer's widow. Cause of death: "Probably senile decay 12 months. No medical attention."
Informant: Julia Riordan, daughter
EDIT: Or maybe not, unless the "senile decay" hadn't stopped her being present at young Julia's birth and being the informant.
EDIT AGAIN: No, that last sentence is rubbish! Julia was born 11 years before Mary's death (thanks to ErikaH for pointing that out below) - I got the dates mixed up.
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Michelle
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26 Jul 2021 13:21 |
Thank you for reply's I am looking to expand my family tree and find living relatives Thank you very much ArgyllGran and ErikaH for the records. JULIA CAHILL was registered with out a surname. My mum managed to find the registration. Thanks for all your effort
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 13:30 |
Is the 1889 birth for Julia with surname Riordan which I posted above not the right one?
I don't think it's possible to register a birth without a surname.
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 13:53 |
The only chance you have of finding living relatives is doing the research, starting on here in 'search all member trees' as previously advised
Also, make sure you keep your own tree up to date on here, but without including ANY living people whose permission you haven't obtained.
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 14:05 |
The 'senile decay' for Mary was only 12 months................Julia jnr was born in 1889...11 years earlier
As Julia snr didn't marry, you have very little chance of finding her daughter's paternal line
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 14:10 |
Oh yes , of course - got the dates mixed up! Senile decay?
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Michelle
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26 Jul 2021 14:17 |
Hiya I am looking for more information for the family tree and living relatives. I was unable to upload my family tree to Genes Reunited so only have a basic tree on here. Julia Riordan B1855 I believe her mum is Mary Riordan. I have found the following information from a facebook site I belong to:- Name: Julia Riordan Date of Birth: Date of Baptism: 23-Feb-1854 Address: Lislehane Parish/District: MILLSTREET Gender: Female County Co. Cork Denomination: Roman Catholic Father: John Sweeny Mother: Julia Cahill Occupation: Not Recorded Not Recorded Sponsor 1 / Informant 1: Daniel Sweeny Not Recorded Sponsor 2 / Informant 2: Mary Danahy no wonder we have been having such a hard time tracing her she was given a diferent surname by her parents. Why would they do that?
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 14:19 |
For INFO for helpers
Party 1 Name MICHAEL TWOMEY Party 2 Name HANORA TATTAN Date of Event 24 November 1903 Group Registration ID 1926352 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Name HANORAH TATTAN Date of Birth 1872 Group Registration ID 10081198 SR District/Reg Area Fermoy Sex N/R Mother's Birth Surname N/R
No sign on the 1911 Irish census
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 14:33 |
Name: Nora M Twomey Birth Date: Oct - Dec 1951 Birthplace: Mallow, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Oct - Dec 1951 Registration District: Mallow Mother's Maiden Name: Redmond
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 14:56 |
Michelle, that 1854 baptism record you posted says the child's mother is Julia Cahill - not Mary .
I had noticed that record before, just because of the name Cahill.
[ That child wasn't registered without a surname, as you suggested. Clearly she was registered as Riordan. Anyway , it's not a birth registration - only a church record of a baptism. - EDIT: The one Michelle thinks (wrongly) is registered without a surname is Julia Riordan 1889 - I misunderstood.]
This is the version I found:
Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - MILLSTREET Baptism of JULIANA (JULIA) RIORDAN of LISLEHANE on 23 February 1854 Name JULIANA (JULIA) RIORDAN Date of Birth 23 February 1854 (BASED ON OTHER DATE INFORMATION) Address LISLEHANE Father JOHANNES (JOHN) SWEENY Mother JULIANA (JULIA) CAHILL Further details in the record Father Occupation NR Sponsor 1 DANL (DANIEL) SWEENY Sponsor 2 MARIA (MARY) DANAHY Priest DIONYSIUS (DENIS) O DONOHUE
There doesn't seem any reason to think that's the right Julia, any more than any of the others born (or rather, baptised) around the same time.
For instance, what about this one - and I'm not saying this is the right one, either, but at least her mother's name is Mary:
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - OVENS & AGLIS Baptism of JULIA REARDON of N/R on 14 February 1855 Name JULIA REARDON Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R Address N/R Father DENIS REARDON Mother MARY LOONY Further details in the record Sponsor 1 TIMOTHY LOONY Sponsor 2 MARGARET REARDON Recorded Parochial Area BALLINHASSIG
Re why the Julia in Lislehane is concerned, it's a pity we can't see the original document. Perhaps it might have more info - perhaps the "parents" weren't actually the parents, for some reason.
ADDED: Perhaps they adopted or fostered the child, and had her baptised - there's nothing to say when that child was born. She wasn't necessarily a baby when baptised.
Or perhaps Riordan is meant to be a middle name, but the record has been transcribed wrongly.
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 15:04 |
1901????
Residents of a house 5 in Mullentoura (Kildinan, Cork) Collins Patrick T 26 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Read and write - Not Married - Tatton Hanoria 27 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Cork General Servant Domestic Read and write - Not Married - Tatton Julia 12 Female Visitor Roman Catholic Co Cork Scholar Read and write
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ErikaH
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26 Jul 2021 15:06 |
You can add as much info as you like to your GR tree about deceased people..................just select a name and add relatives, one by one
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2021 15:10 |
Marriages of those two couples above (the ones who had children named Julia Reardon/Riordan baptised):
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - OVENS & AGLIS Marriage of DENIS RIORDAN of N/R and MARY LOONEY of N/R on 14 February 1852 Husband Wife Name DENIS RIORDAN MARY LOONEY Address N/R N/R Occupation N/R N/R Father N/R N/R Mother N/R N/R Further details in the record Recorded Parochial Area BALLINHASSIG Witness 1 TIMOTHY LOONEY (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND) Witness 3 JOHN LOONEY (WITNESS FOR WIFE)
Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - RATHMORE Marriage of JOHN SWEENEY of LYREAUN and JULIA CAHILL of LYREAUN on 29 February 1840 Husband Wife Name JOHN SWEENEY JULIA CAHILL Address LYREAUN LYREAUN Occupation NR NR Father NR SWEENEY NR CAHILL Mother NR NR NR NR Further details in the record Priest REV.S.O.S Husband's Father's Occupation NR Witness 1 PATRICK CAHILL Witness 2 JOHN MANNIX
Rathmore is approx 12 miles from Millstreet.
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