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First name(s) John
Last name McGuire
Gender Male
Birth day 3
Birth month 10
Birth year 1904
Death quarter 4
Death year 1992
District Newcastle upon Tyne

First name(s) Rodney Joseph
Last name Hunton
Gender Male
Birth day 18
Birth month 7
Birth year 1939
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2002
District Reading

MCGUIRE, ELLEN LARDER
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 77
MCGUIRE, GEORGE LAUDER
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 66
MCGUIRE, JAMES LAUDER
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 16
MCGUIRE, JOHN LAUDER
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 71

First name(s) Christina
Last name Lauder
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 05 Dec 1858
Marriage place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name McGuire
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cowgate, Edinburgh, Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
James McGuire Head Married Male 26 1835 Railway Lab Ireland
Christina McGuire Wife Married Female 22 1839 House Wife Midlothian, Scotland
Mary McGuire Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Midlothian, Scotland
Jessie McGuire Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Midlothian, Scotland
Edward Lander Brother-In-Law Married Male 34 1827 Mason's Lab Midlothian, Scotland
Ann Lander - Married Female 34 1827 House Wife England
Elizabeth Lander - - Female 6 1855 - England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Railway Terrace, Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland

James McGuire Head - Male 36 1835 - Ireland
Christina McGuire Wife - Female 31 1840 - Scotland
Mary McGuire Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Scotland
Jessie McGuire Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Scotland
John McGuire Son - Male 8 1863 - Northumberland, England
George McGuire Son - Male 6 1865 - Northumberland, England
Ellen McGuire Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Northumberland, England
James McGuire Son - Male 1 1870 - Northumberland, England
William Finlayson Boarder - Male 24 1847 - Scotland
John Selkirk Boarder - Male 21 1850 - Scotland

The poster latched on to the wrong marriage record - didn't cross-check with birth records

Name: John McGuire
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 244

Elizabeth Dowson
Ellen Leighton
Francis Lockey
John McGuire

1891
Name: John McGuire
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1862
Spouse: Elizabeth McGuire
Birth Place: Felling, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Residence Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Registration District: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, Institution or Vessel: 44
Piece: 4183
Folio: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
John McGuire 29
Elizabeth McGuire 25..............Born ARMAGH, Ireland

Fred Hunton and his children (except Cyril, whose 1921 birth reg'n as Hunton is retrospective) are in Paula's GR tree

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
McGuire Cyril McGuire Tynemouth 10b 639

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Hunton Cyril McGuire Tynemouth 10b See S'36
Hunton Cyril McGuire Nthmbl'd 10b See D'36

Births Sep 1936 (>99%)
HUNTON Cyril McGuire Tynemouth 10b 454
Births Dec 1936 (>99%)
Hunton Cyril McGuire Nthmbld.S. 10b 464

First name(s) Cyril
Last name Hunton
Gender Male
Birth day 26
Birth month 7
Birth year 1921
Death quarter 3
Death year 2002
District West Berkshire

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1891 for Robert Elliott

Name: Andrew Elliott
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1848
Spouse: Elizabeth Elliott
Child: John Elliott
Robert Elliott
Birth Place: Beadnell, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Bedlington
Ecclesiastical parish: Choppington St Paul
Residence Place: Choppington Colliery, Bedlington, Northumberland, England
Registration District: Morpeth
Sub registration district: Bedlington
ED, Institution or Vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4257
Folio: 127
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Elliott 43
Elizabeth Elliott 50
Bella Smith 22................................Stepdaughter
Sarah Smith 15.................................Stepdaughter
John Elliott 11
Robert Elliott 5


1881
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Bedlington
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 100 Howard Row
Marital status: Widow
Registration District: Morpeth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5115
Folio: 15
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Smith 41
Thomas Smith 18
Jane Smith 13
Isabella Smith 12
Catherine Smith 9
Hannah Smith 7
Sarah Smith 5
John Smith 1**********NB


1871
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: 1835
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Whalton
Ecclesiastical parish: Whalton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Castle Ward
Sub-registration district: Ponteland
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 5136
Folio: 58
Page number: 11
Household Members Age Relationship
Thomas Smith 40 Head
Elizabeth Smith 36 Wife
Mary Ann Smith 13 Daughter
Ellen Smith 10 Daughter
Thomas Smith 9 Son
Margaret Smith 7 Daughter
Elizabeth Smith 5 Daughter***************************McGuire's wife
Jane Smith 3 Daughter
Isabella Smith 1 Daughter

SMITH, ISABELLA ( MMN) SMITH
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in GLENDALE Volume 10B Page 368



Marriages Sep 1881
ELLIOTT Andrew Stephenson Tynemouth 10b 329
Smith Elizabeth Tynemouth 10b 329


ELLIOTT, ROBERT (MMN) SMITH
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 365

James's daughter Mary Elizabeth's marriage:

Mary E McGuire
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Mary E McGuire
Registration Date: Oct 1947
[Nov 1947]
[Dec 1947]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Northumberland West
Inferred County: Northumberland
Spouse: Kenneth W Johnstone
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1012


Her husband's death:

Kenneth William Johnstone
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kenneth William Johnstone
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 2 Jul 1922
Registration Date: Jun 2000
Registration District: Northumberland West
Inferred County: Northumberland
Register Number: 7A
District and Subdistrict: 6803
Entry Number: 284

I don't see Mary's death.


Three probable children were born of the marriage:
Newcastle 1948 and 1950; Northumberland West 1956.

Probable marriage of the son James:

James McGuire
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: James McGuire
Registration Date: Jan 1921
[Feb 1921]
[Mar 1921]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Spouse: Martha Cashin
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 210


James Mc Guire
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: James Mc Guire
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1895
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 24 Amble Grove
Residence Place: Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Occupation: Engineer Heavy Work <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Line Number: 10
Schedule Number: 215
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: GAMH
Borough: Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Registration district: NEWCASTLE-TYNE
Inferred Spouse:
Matha Mc Guire
Inferred Children:
Mary E Mc Guire
Household Members Age
James Mc Guire 44
Matha Mc Guire 42
This record is officially closed.
Mary E Mc Guire 14

James was an engineer's apprentice in 1911.



The daughter Mary E's birth:

Mary E McGuire
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary E McGuire
Registration Date: Jan 1925
[Feb 1925]
[Mar 1925]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Mother's Maiden Name: Cashin
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 70

MCGUIRE, MARY ELIZABETH
GRO Reference: 1925 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 70



This will be the birth of the closed record in 1939:

Births Sep 1921 99%)
McGuire Norah C Cashin Newcastle T. 10b 98


Probably her marriage, in view of her place of death reg below:

Norah C McGuire
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Norah C McGuire
Registration Date: Jan 1949
[Feb 1949]
[Mar 1949]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Falmouth
Inferred County: Cornwall
Spouse: George M Waugh
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 67


Nora Crenagh Waugh
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nora Crenagh Waugh
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1921
Registration Date: Jul 1993
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Register Number: F54C
District and Subdistrict: 0531F
Entry Number: 250



There are four possible (probable) children of that marriage:
Falmouth 1949, Northumberland 1951, Newcastle 1953 and 1959.

You'll find the names on FreeBMD.

Birth of the daughter E W Agnes:

Ellen Winifred A McGuire
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ellen Winifred A McGuire
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 70


Just a maybe -

If so, her other forenames aren't mentioned after 1911 - but on the other hand, I don't see the birth of a Winifred M*Guire in 1891..

Marriages Mar 1917 (>99%)
McGuire Winifred McSkerry Newcastle T. 10b 172
McSkerry John F McGuire Newcastle T. 10b 172



Winifred McSherry
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Winifred McSherry
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1891
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 5
Residence Place: Bedlingtonshire, Northumberland, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 33
Schedule Number: 129
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: GCEV
Borough: Bedlingtonshire
Registration district: 564-2
Inferred Spouse:
John F McSherry
Inferred Children:
John McSherry
Household Members Age
John F McSherry 46
Winifred McSherry 48
John McSherry 21


Winifred McSherry
in the Newcastle upon Tyne, England, Electoral Registers, 1741-1974
Name: Winifred McSherry
Residence Year: 1954
Street Address: 89 [ 39 Bank Top on image ]
Residence Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Register: Register of Electors


???
Deaths Dec 1963 (>99%)
MCSHERRY WINIFRED 72 WAKEFIELD 2D 619

1901 for the 'Brother in Law' from 1911

4Th Row, Bedlington, Morpeth, Durham & Northumberland, England
Andrew Elliott Head Married Male 54 1847 Coal Miner Surface Labr Beadnell, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Elliott Wife Married Female 61 1840 - Ireland
John Elliott Son Single Male 21 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Bedlington, Northumberland, England
Robert Elliott Son Single Male 15 1886 Clerk (Co Op Socy) Choppington, Northumberland, England

MCGUIRE, ELLEN WINIFRED AGNES (MMN) SMITH
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 70

MCGUIRE, ELIZABETH ............ SMITH
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 45
MCGUIRE, JOHN ............SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 27
MCGUIRE, ROBERT ................ SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 27

Birth of the daughter listed as C Margaret in 1911:

MCGUIRE, CHRISTINA MARGARET mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 12

But there are several marriages of women named Christina M, or Christina, McGuire (various spellings) in Northumberland and elsewhere.

She seems to have been known by her middle name - Margaret in 1901, and C Margaret (with the C looking like an afterthought) in 1911.

1939

Fred Hanton 14 Oct 1898 Male Dairy Manager Builders Labourer Married 98 1
Cyril Hanton 26 Jul 1921 Male Concrete Ripe Marker Single 98 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Rodney J (Joseph R) Hanton 18 Jul 1939 Male Under School Age Single 98 5
Innesina M Hanton ? Sep 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Married 98 6
Audrey Aldworth (Hanton) 07 Jun 1924 Female At School Single 98 7
Elizabeth Viveash (Hanton) 06 Oct 1928 Female At School Single 98 8
Inness Knight (Hanton) 21 Feb 1930 Female At School Single 98 9
Stella M McNamara (Hanton) 19 Jul 1933 Female At School Single 98 10



First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Viveash
Gender Female
Birth day 6
Birth month 10
Birth year 1928
Death quarter 2
Death year 2000
District Eastbourne
District number 4541A
Register number A78E
Entry number 111
Date of registration mm/yy 0400

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For example
Innesina married Hunton - look for births using the surnames

She died in Reading district in 1971

Marriages Dec 1889
Maguire John Newcastle T. 10b 207
Smith Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 207

Rose

Here's Robert's birth but his mother wasn't a Dowson:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MCGUIRE, ROBERT SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 27

Rose

This is the family in the 1911 census:-

1911 Census For England & Wales
18 Marsden Street Newcastle upon Tyne, Elswick, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John McGuire Head Married Male 48 1863 Engineer's Machinist Newcastle on Tyne
Elizabeth McGuire Wife Married Female 45 1866 - Northumbld Stobswood
C Margaret McGuire Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Housemaid Domestic Newcastle on Tyne
E W Agnes McGuire Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Commercial Clerk Newcastle on Tyne
Elizabeth McGuire Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Pawnbroker's Shop Assistant Newcastle on Tyne
James McGuire Son Single Male 16 1895 Engineer's Apprentice Newcastle on Tyne
Innes Ina May McGuire Daughter Single Female 9 1902 School Newcastle on Tyne
John McGuire Son Single Male 6 1905 School Newcastle on Tyne
Robert McGuire Son Single Male 6 1905 School Newcastle on Tyne
Robert Elliott Brother-In-Law Single Male 25 1886 Commercial Clerk Choppington Co Northumbld

John and Elizabeth had been married 21 years. 9 children born to the marriage as of 1911 but 2 had died.

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