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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Feb 2021 16:08

HYETT, THOMAS GEORGE (MMN) ROSEVEAR
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 159

1901

Name: Thomas Hyett
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Levana Hyett
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Great
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 284
Folio: 76
Page Number: 3
Household Schedule Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hyett 22
Levana Hyett 24
Thomas Hyett 1

1911 Census For England & Wales
50 Tavistock Road Stratford, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Albert Edward Churcher Head - Male 34 1877 Bricklayer Portsmouth Hants
Percy Davey Stepson - Male 14 1897 Shop Boy Drapery Stepney London
Albert Christian Davey Stepson - Male 12 1899 School Stepney London
Stanley Churcher Son - Male 2 1909 - Stratford Essex
Elsie Churcher Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Stratford Essex
Thomas Hyett Brother In Law - Male 32 1879 Sweeper Benthal Green London
Levana Hyett Sister In Law Married Female 34 1877 - Notting Hill London
Thomas Hyett Son - Male 11 1900 School Bethall Green London
Willie Hyett Son - Male 9 1902 - Stratford Essex


No sign of a marriage between Hyett and Levana, which is how she was able to marry in 1940 as Rosevear

She claims in 1911 to have been married for 12 years. 3 children - 1 has died

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Feb 2021 16:13

HYETT, WILLIAM BENNETT ROXOCAR
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 32

HYETT, FLORENCE ANNIE ROSEVEAR
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 272

Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
HYETT Florence Annie 1 Whitechapel 1c 192

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Feb 2021 16:30

CHURCHER, ELSIE GWENDOLINE (MMN) ROSEVEAR
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 8

CHURCHER, STANLEY (MMN) ROSEWEAR
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 49

the mother of the stepsons

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
Churcher Albert Edward W. Ham 4a 576
Davey Lily W. Ham 4a 576

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
CHURCHER Lily 36 W. Ham 4a 20

She was Levana's sister - as per census info on page one

DAVEY, ALBERT CHRISTIAN ROSEBEAR
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 458

Marriages Dec 1894 (>99%)
Davey George William P Mile End 1c 844
Rosevear Lily Mile End 1c 844

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Feb 2021 17:09

I've had a look at the 1911 census posted by ErikaH.

Address: 17 Thimblerow, Perth.

George was a self-employed rabbitcatcher, employed on "various farms", born in what looks like "Pirfront", Dumfries. BUT there's no such place, and no George Hall born anywhere in Dumfries-shire 1868-72.

Beatrice, born England, married for 6 years (which matches the Hartley Wintney marriage); 4 children, all still living in 1911.

All the children born in Perth.




Beatrice in 1901??

Beatrice McKennan
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Beatrice McKennan
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Thomas McKennan
Birth Place: Farnborough, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Farnborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Farnborough
Town: Farnborough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Hartley Wintney <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sub-registration District: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: Aldershot Camp
Neighbors:
Piece: 1105
Folio: 125
Page Number: 8
Household Schedule Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McKennan 56 - widower, Ireland, warder
Beatrice McKennan 19 - housekeeper to father, born Farnborough.


Maybe a possibility for George in 1901 ???

George Hall
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Hound
Ecclesiastical parish: Hound St Edward or St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: South Stoneham
Sub-registration District: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Victoria Hospital
Neighbors:
Piece: 1064
Folio: 124
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hall 28 - hospital nurse.



Or this one??

George Hall
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Soldier - Gunner RMA [ Royal Marine Artillery ]
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Milton St James
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration District: Portsmouth
Sub-registration District: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: Eastney Barracks
Neighbors:
Piece: 991
Folio: 87
Page Number: 29
Household Schedule Number: 1
George Hall 27

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Feb 2021 17:20

As George was a rabbit catcher in 1911, maybe this is him in 1881 - father a rabbit trapper born in Perthshire:

George Hall
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: George Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Durrisdeer
Registration Number: 823
Registration district: Durisdeer
Civil parish: Durisdeer
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Saughhead
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 16
Roll: cssct1881_322
Household Members Age Relationship
George Hall 44 Head - Kinfauns, Perthshire.
Jessie Hall 13 Daughter
James Hall 11 Son
John Hall 10 Son
George Hall 7 Son
Robert Hall 6 Son
James Blythe 20 Lodger


Birth:

HALL
GEORGE
M
1873
823/ 5
Durisdeer

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Feb 2021 17:24

If that's the right George, his father was back in Perthshire in 1901. Arngask is about 11 miles from Perth:

George Hall
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: kenfanus, Perthshire [ Kinfauns ]
Registration Number: 328C
Registration district: Arngask
Civil parish: Arngask
County: Perthshire
Address: Rashiefold
Occupation: Ag Labourer (goul)
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1901_115
Household Members: 1


I'm not spending credits to see what "goul" is a mistranscription of !

George senior was a gamekeeper in Durrisdeer in 1871.

Probably his death:

HALL
GEORGE
75
1911
387/ 72
Perth



I don't see the family in 1891.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Feb 2021 17:54

??

George Hall
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: George Hall
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 13 Apr 1834
Event Place: Kinfauns, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Kinfauns, Perth, Scotland
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1834
Father's Name: George Hall
Mother's Name: Helen Cameron

GS Film Number: 1040334
Digital Folder Number: 007907880
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11366-4
System Origin: ODM



George Hall
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relationship: Son
Father: George Hall
Mother: Hellen Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinfauns, Perthshire
Parish Number: 366
Civil Parish: Kinfauns
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Perthshire
Address: Forebank
Occupation: Errand Boy
ED: 2
Page: 1
Household Schedule Number: 3
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1851_77
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hall 55 - salmon fisher
Hellen Hall 50
James Hall 29
Robert Hall 27
Christian Hall 20
John Hall 19
George Hall 17

Also at Forebank in 1841.

In 1861, a ploughman at Petlowie Farmhouse, Kinfauns.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2021 16:42

This is the George who was in Perth in 1911:

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: George Hall
Enlistment Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: Pentront Dennfleshire
Enlistment Year: 1901
Regiment: Royal Army Medical Corps
Regimental Number: 15830
Attestation Paper: Yes


So he may well have been the one who was a nurse at the Royal Victoria Hospital in South Stoneham in 1901.

I suspect "Pentront" or "Pirfront" is meant to be Penpont.
Penpont is only about 7 miles from Durrisdeer.

Anyway, he's the only George Hall born in Dumfries-shire 1870-80.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2021 17:08

Re the Durrisdeer family in 1881 census posted above -

the daughter Jessie and son James were born in Newburgh, Fife.

Jessie's baptism:

Janet Hall
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Janet Hall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 03 Mar 1868
Birth Place: Newburgh,Fife,Scotland
Father: George Hall
Mother: Margaret Gorrie
FHL Film Number: 6035516

And James's:


James Hall
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: James Hall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 07 Sep 1869
Birth Place: Newburgh,Fife,Scotland
Father:
George Hall
Mother:
Margaret Gorrie
FHL Film Number: 6035516



In 1871 the mother Margaret is also with them, born in Newburgh.

George Hall
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: George Hall
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Hak
Gender: Male
Where born: Hinfannd, Perthshire
Registration Number: 823
Registration District: Durisdeer
Civil Parish: Durisdeer
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Shaw Head
Occupation: Game Keeper
ED: 5
Household Schedule Number: 15
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1871_183
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hall 34
Margaret Hak 33
Janet Hak 3
James Hak 18
John Hall 1 Mo


So this is the parents' marriage:

HALL
GEORGE
GORRIE
MARGARET
1865
450/ 17
Newburgh

Margaret Gorrie
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Margaret Gorrie
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 15 Sep 1865
Marriage Place: Newburgh,Fife,Scotland
Spouse:
George Hall
FHL Film Number: 6035516




They had an earlier son George who died in infancy:

Death:
HALL
GEORGE
1
mmn GORRIE
1867
450/ 24
Newburgh


Margaret and two of her children in 1881:

Margaret Hall
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Margaret Hall
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Newburgh, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 369
Registration district: Kinnoull
Civil parish: Kinnoull
County: Perthshire
Address: Sitmelane
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 20
Line: 22
Roll: cssct1881_105
Household Members Age Relationship
Christina Cameron 56 Head
Euphemia Blyth 44 Visitor
Margaret Hall 42 Visitor
Helen Hall 4 Visitor - Thornhill, Dumfries-shire
William Hall 2 Visitor - Thornhill, Dumfries-shire

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2021 17:31

Margaret and children in Perth in 1901 - George in 1901 already posted:

Margaret Hall
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Margaret Hall
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newburgh, fifeshire
Registration Number: 387
Registration district: Perth
Civil parish: Perth
County: Perthshire
Address: 10 Atholl Street
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_124
Household Members Age Relationship
Margaret Hall 61 Head
Jessie Hall 33 Daur (Daughter)
Robert Hall 26 Son
William Hall 22 Son

I still don't see any of the family in 1891



??

Robert Hall
in the Perthshire, Scotland, School Registers of Admission and Withdrawals, 1869-1902
Name: Robert Hall
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1874
Age: 10
School: Perth North Port
Admission Date: 24 Nov 1884
Parent or Guardian: George

Also Ellen Hall, DOB 30/04/1876.

Address: 14 Bridge Lane.

Robert left the school on 10/11/1886, and Ellen on 28/06/1888.
No reason stated.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Feb 2021 11:20

???

1939

1 Dilleys Cottage Billet Road, Barking And Dagenham, Ilford M.B., Essex, England

Thomas G Hall 08 Apr 1906 Male Boiler Stoker Cable Work Married 23 1

Marriages Jun 1934 (>99%)
Hall Thomas G Main Romford 4a 1335
Main Edith Hall Romford 4a 1335

Possibly 6 children - look for their births on freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

greyghost

greyghost Report 17 Feb 2021 12:55

One of the results from a google search for Royal Victoria Hospital, (South Stoneham RD as per 1901 census) for George Hall - nurse.

Actually RVH Netley, originally built as a Military hospital in latter years it was a Military psychiatric hospital, but now a lovely country park on the edge of Southampton Water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netley_Hospital

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Feb 2021 10:44

PM sent asking poster to return to her thread. Opened.................

Hayley

Hayley Report 21 Feb 2021 00:52

Hi ,

I would like to thank everyone with all the information you have sent .
This means a lot to me , i can finaly move forward <3

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Feb 2021 09:41

:-D :-D :-D :-D