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Winson
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6 Feb 2021 08:53 |
I see.Ok,thanks.I understand the name of Pratts is common.
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ErikaH
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5 Feb 2021 09:44 |
No, there are NOT ‘errors’ on the site. - the only way to see whose wife the decedent was is to BUY a copy of the death cert - she may have have been a single woman
There could have been more than one person whose death was registered as Dorothy Eleanor Pratt among the world’s population
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Winson
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5 Feb 2021 05:54 |
Ok,thanks.There's must be some errors on the Ancestry.co.uk
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ErikaH
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4 Feb 2021 08:46 |
No PROOF that the death was Edward’s wife unless you purchase a copy of the certificate
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Winson
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4 Feb 2021 05:52 |
Thanks.Edward didn't return to Malaya in 1931.Cause I don't find any articles about them anymore after 1931 on this link - https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/
Thanks for the correction for the death date of his wife,Dorothy Eleanor Pratt in 1962 Isle Of Man .
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 16:37 |
Didn't pick up on the 1931 travel info - so much info posted early on which was totally irrelevant
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2021 16:19 |
Did Edward die abroad?
For the sake of elimination - this is NOT his death. This is an Edward Lawrence Pratt, born in Somerset.
Edward L Pratt in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Edward L Pratt Death Age: 65 Birth Date: abt 1876 Registration Date: Jul 1941 [Aug 1941] [Sep 1941] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Hendon Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 675
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ArgyllGran
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3 Feb 2021 16:09 |
Winson said earlier, " . . his wife.Dorothy who died in Nottingham or Isle of Man in 1959." which didn't make sense, but was probably because of that 1962 death (if that's her), although a different year.
The last online sighting of Edward and Dorothy was in July 1931 (not June, as Winson says), when they travelled from Japan to London - record posted on page 2. (Except for the possible 1962 death of Dorothy.)
Winson, I still don't understand from your posts if Edward returned to Kuala Lumpuir after the 1931 voyage to the UK, or not. Presumably he did, as neither he nor Dorothy is visible on the 1939 Register.
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 15:13 |
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First name(s) Dorothy Eleanor Last name Pratt Age 78 Birth year 1884 Death year 1962 Registration year 1962 Registration district Douglas Residence Douglas Country Isle of Man Volume 15 Page number 3758
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 14:14 |
NOT Dorothy ELEANOR - read ALL of the information carefully, please!
That woman's death is NOT - repeat NOT - Edward's wife
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Winson
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3 Feb 2021 14:09 |
Hello Erika & Argyll,
Sorry I just found those information on today.
I see you mention Cecil Charles Pratt as the benefactor to the Dorothy Eleanor Pratt.Are there any mention about Cecil's marriage and children?.
Thanks for all these information.
Best wishes, Winson Saw
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 14:06 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census 23, Great Norwood Street, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
George Henry Pratt Head Unmarried Male 18 1833 Scholar Worcestershire, England Edward Haslop Pratt Brother - Male 15 1836 Scholar Worcestershire, England Frederick Mantell Pratt Brother - Male 13 1838 Scholar Worcestershire, England Elizabeth Tughan Servant Unmarried Female 41 1810 Cook & Housekeeper Lenton, Herefordshire, England Elizabeth Trape Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 House Servant Badgeworth, Gloucestershire, England
1841 Link Rose Cottage, Leigh, Martley, Worcestershire, England Susanna Pratt Female 30 1811 - George Pratt Male 8 1833 Worcestershire, England Edward Pratt Male 5 1836 Worcestershire, England Frederick Pratt Male 3 1838 Worcestershire, England Rachel Allen Female 17 1824 Worcestershire, England
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 11:51 |
The HALF brother's birth
PRATT, GEORGE EDWARD HASLOPE HILL GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 234
and marriage
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%) Pratt George Edward H Hereford 6a 1114 Shewring Marion Francis Hereford 6a 1114
1911
George Edward Haslope Pratt Head Married Male 49 1862 Clergyman Established Church Worcester Kidderminster Marion Francis Pratt Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Hereford All Saints Parish Annie Ruff Servant Single Female 16 1895 General Servant Domestic Shropshire Cressage
NO children
Deaths Sep 1925 (>99%) Pratt George E H 63 Atcham 6a 606
His widow re-married
Name: Marion Francis Pratt [Marion Francis Shewring] Gender: Female Marriage Age: 53 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: 1873 Marriage Date: 8 Sep 1926 Marriage Place: Trefriw, Caernarvonshire, Wales Father: Eli James Shewring Spouse: Charles Rowland Serjeantson
1939 Sheilton, Sedlescombe, Battle R.D., Sussex, England Marion F Serjeantson 18 Nov 1872 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 61 1
Death
First name(s) Marian F Last name Serjeantson Gender Unknown Birth year 1873 Age 83 Death quarter 1 Death year 1956 District Hastings
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 11:49 |
The woman who died in 1959
First name(s) Dorothy Elizabeth********************* Last name Pratt Death year 1959 Death date 30 Sep 1959 Probate year 1959 Probate date 16 Oct 1959 Residence town West Bridgford Registry Nottingham County Nottinghamshire Linked persons Cecil Charles Pratt
Births Sep 1920 (>99%) Pratt Cecil C Davis Eastry 2a 2309
1939 at the address on the Probate record 123 Eltham Road, West Bridgford, West Bridgford U.D., Nottinghamshire, England
Charles Pratt 03 Dec 1874 Male Clerk Estate Agents Married 57 1 Cecil Charles Pratt 21 Aug 1920 Male Fitters Labourer Motor Works Ln Single 57 2 Dorothy Pratt 04 Jul 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 57 3 Mary Brown 17 May 1884 Female Linker Hosiery Manufa Widowed 57 4
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 11:16 |
The last online sighting of Edward and Dorothy was 1930 when they sailed from Birkenhead.
There is NOTHING further
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 11:10 |
There is a - very limited - tree on Ancestry which shows Edward L K Pratt as having married Dorothy E Clow
1891 for Edward - probably already posted, but occupation info is telling
Hemberton Road, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England Arthur E Lasbury Head Single Male 22 1869 Bank Clerk Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Edward L K Pratt Lodger Single Male 18 1873 Student Civil Service Meole Brace, Shropshire, England William Gury Lodger Single Male 31 1860 Stockbrokers Clerk Hastings, Sussex, England
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 11:04 |
PRATT, EDITH GERTRUDE BURTON GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in ATCHAM SALOP Volume 06A Page 734
PRATT, LILY MARIAN BURTON GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 727
PRATT, ROBERT EDWARD BURTON BURTON GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in ATCHAM Volume 06A Page 689
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 10:59 |
Name: Mary Gertrude Pratt Death Date: 11 Apr 1906 Death Place: Bath, Somerset, England Probate Date: 31 May 1906 Probate Registry: Bristol
Executors were two Clergymen .
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ErikaH
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3 Feb 2021 10:45 |
Name: Edward Haslope Pratt Death Date: 21 Nov 1885 Death Place: Shropshire, England Probate Date: 23 Jan 1886 Probate Registry: Shrewsbury
First name(s) Edward Haslope Last name Pratt Birth year 1835 Birth date 25 Nov 1835 Place King's Norton County Worcestershire Country England Event type Birth Reference 32548 043 Record set British Civil Service Evidence Of Age
Name: Edward H. Pratt Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Mary G. Pratt Gender: Male Where born: King Norton, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Atcham County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Berwick Grove Marital status: Married Occupation: Post Master Of Shrewsbury B A Oxford Registration District: Atcham ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2648 Folio: 11 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Edward H. Pratt 45 Mary G. Pratt 36 Edward L. K. Pratt 8 Edith G Pratt 6 Lily M Pratt 4 Annie Hean 21 Emily Jones 17
You were admant that Edward L K Pratt was NOT the man you are looking for, but this is his birth, so you need to re-think
PRATT, EDWARD LANCELOT KNIGHT (MMN) BURTON GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in ATCHAM SALOP Volume 06A Page 686
First name(s) Edward Lancelot Knight Last name Pratt Birth year - Baptism year 1872 Baptism date 01 Sep 1872 Denomination Anglican Place Meole Brace Father's first name(s) Edward Haslope Mother's first name(s) Mary Gertrude Mother's last name - County Shropshire Register type Baptism
You need the 1911 marriage cert to establish facts about Edward's age and his father's details
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3 Feb 2021 10:41 |
Taking the brother Robert at random:
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%) GARDE Poppie Gwendollen Bedford 3b 706 PRATT Robert Edward B Bedford 3b 706
Note different spellings:
Births Mar 1882 (>99%) GARD Poppie Gwendolen Leeds 9b 534
If they had children, they weren't born in England/Wales.
No children with them in 1911:
Poppy Gwendoller Prate in the 1911 England Census Name: Poppy Gwendoller Prate Age in 1911: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Sister Gender: Female Birth Place: Leeds, England Civil Parish: Harrogate Country: England Street Address: West House Otley Road Harrogate Marital status: Married Registration District Number: 489 Sub-registration District: Harrogate ED, institution, or vessel: 03 Piece: 25908 Household Members: Name Age Ethel Hildred Hudson 34 Molly Lucille Hudson 4 Robert Edward Burtin Prate 29 Poppy Gwendoller Prate 29 Anne Joyce Procter 2 Ellen Hooks 61 Edith Baxtor 22 Lucy Winterbourne Wood 30 Amelia Winterbourne Wood 32
Robert Edward Burton Pratt in the England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921 Name: Robert Edward Burton Pratt Gender: Male Initiation Age: 23 Birth Year: abt 1882 Initiation Date: 27 May 1905 Year Range: 1887-1909 Profession: Lieut R E Lodge: Rokell Lodge Lodge Location: Freetown Sierra Leone Lodge Number: 2798 Folio Number: 196
Robert E B Pratt in the UK, Hart's Annual Army List, 1908 Name: Robert E B Pratt Rank: Lieutenant Regiment: Corps Of Royal Engineers Military Date: 2 May 1903 Military Place: Sierra Leone Publication Year: 1908 Publication Place: London, England
1936 and until her death in 1962, Poppie/Poppy is living in (variously) Ripon, Harrogate , and Stroud - either alone or at least not with any other Pratts of voting age.
Poppie G Pratt in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Poppie G Pratt Gender: Female Marital Status: Widow Birth Date: 4 Feb 1882 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Larkfield, Tilsdourn, Nr Dursley Residence Place: Dursley, Gloucestershire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 11 Schedule Number: 193 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: ODDF Borough: Dursley Registration district: 327-1 Household Members Age Ethel M Hudson 62 - widow, 3/11/1887 Poppie G Pratt 57
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