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ArgyllGran
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29 Jan 2021 12:46 |
Edward Pratt in the records posted by Maddie:
the image of the 1930 travel record shows he was travelling with his wife Dorothy Eleanor, 46. Their UK address was The Haven, Torpaint, Cornwall.
Country of last permanent residence: "Other parts of the British Empire". Country of intended future permanent residence: FMS
Possible marriage ??
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%) Clow Dorothy E Truro 5c 251 Pratt Edward Truro 5c 251
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29 Jan 2021 12:49 |
Edward Pratt in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Edward Pratt Gender: Male Age: 36 Birth Date: 1875 Marriage Date: 1911 Marriage Place: Saint Gerrans, Cornwall, England Father: Edward Pratt Spouse: Dorothy Eleanor Clow FHL Film Number: 246794 Reference ID: 2:S5CT7X
What a pity they married after the 1911 census, and left before the 1939 Register!
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29 Jan 2021 12:52 |
No help, but just because it's there:
Dorothy Eleanor Clow in the Jamaica, Civil Registration Birth, Marriage, and Death Records, 1878-1930 Name: Dorothy Eleanor Clow Gender: Female Event Type: Birth Birth Date: 26 Sep 1884 Birth Place: Port Royal, Kingston, Jamaica Father: George John Clow Mother: Eleanor Lewis FHL Film Number: 0538754
Dorothy Eleanor Clow in the 1911 England Census Name: Dorothy Eleanor Clow Age in 1911: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Post Royal, Resident, Jamaica Civil Parish: Gerrans Country: England Street Address: Tregassa, Portscatho, Cornwall Marital status: Single Registration District Number: 296 Sub-registration District: St Just ED, institution, or vessel: 02 Piece: 13815 Household Members: Name Age Eleanor Clow 59 Dorothy Eleanor Clow 26 Annie Burrows 22
Biography of Dorothy's father:
https://tinyurl.com/y2rdov2y
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29 Jan 2021 12:55 |
BUT if Winson is correct in thinking his Edward retired in 1929 - those records can't be for the right man.
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29 Jan 2021 13:00 |
However, just in case -
the same couple arriving in England in 1927:
Edward Pratt in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Edward Pratt Arrival Age: 52 Birth Date: abt 1875 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1927 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Penang; Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Hong Kong; Moji; Colombo; Batavia; Kobe Ship Name: Delta Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 120709
Occupation: Malayan CS Travelling with wife Dorothy Elene. Adddress: c/o Admiral Clow, The Chalet, Teignmouth, Devon.
And in 1931:
Edward Pratt in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Edward Pratt Arrival Age: 56 Birth Date: abt 1875 Port of Departure: Hakodate, Japan Arrival Date: 8 Jul 1931 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Penang; Marseilles Ship Name: Calchas Shipping Line: Blue Funnel Line Official Number: 143742
Occupation: Malaya CS Address: The Haven, Torpoint Travelling with wife Dorothy E
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Maddie
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29 Jan 2021 13:41 |
ancstry suggests this is edward
student in the civil serice
Name: Edward L K Pratt Gender: Male Age: 18 Relationship: Lodger Birth Year: 1873 Birth Place: Meole Brace, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England Registration District: Lambeth Sub registration district: Kennington Second ED, Institution or Vessel: 23 Neighbors: Piece: 406 Folio: 47 Household Members: Name Age Arthur E Lasbury 22 Edward L K Pratt 18 William Guy 31 Source Citation
BUT IT IS ONLY SPECULATION
1881 Berwick Grove, Atcham, Shropshire, England Edward H Pratt Head Married Male 45 1836 Post Master Of Shrewsbury B A Oxford King's Norton, Worcestershire, England Mary G Pratt Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Ford, Shropshire, England Edward L K Pratt Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Meole Brace, Shropshire, England Edith G Pratt Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Meole Brace, Shropshire, England Lily M Pratt Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Atcham, Shropshire, England Annie Hean Servant Single Female 21 1860 Cook Dom Lilleshall, Shropshire, England Emily Jones Servant Single Female 17 1864 Housemaid Dom Leominster, Herefordshire, EnglandBerwick Grove, Atcham, Shropshire, England
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29 Jan 2021 14:29 |
Edward Lancelot K Pratt in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Edward Lancelot K Pratt Registration Year: 1872 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Atcham Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 6a Page: 686
Can't see him after 1891.
It's possible that Winson found the details about Captain Edward Pratt in a book If it was a list of officials, I would have thought his middle intials would have been given, if he had any. But that's just speculation.
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Maddie
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29 Jan 2021 15:10 |
can't see anything on google, have to wait and see if has any more info, like children and where retirement date came from
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ErikaH
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29 Jan 2021 15:17 |
OP
."I dont know when he was born,name of wife and children.I know he was retired from Singapore in 1930.I don't know names of his parents too."
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Winson
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30 Jan 2021 04:37 |
Hello Everyone,
Many thanks for these information. Yes,you did find Captain Edward Pratt birth date as 1875 and FMS - Federated Malay States / Malayan C S - Malayan Civil Service.So these is the correct information for him.A word - Legal Adviser in Johore.Yes,he did took up the appointment as Legal Adviser in Johore Bharu.Plus name if his wife,Dorothy Eleanor Clow which I don't know her name too.
Can you please try to help out the information about his children?.
Thanks again. ;-)
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ErikaH
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30 Jan 2021 10:03 |
Try to do some research yourself, Winson.
It doesn’t seem that you are in any way related, so what is your reason for asking for the info about this person and his family
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Maddie
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30 Jan 2021 11:24 |
there are no births on gro website and none mentioned on the travel records
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ArgyllGran
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30 Jan 2021 12:03 |
They seem to have spent their younger and potentially child-bearing years in Malaya, so IF they had any children they are likely to have been born abroad (ie - not in the UK), and so there will be no online records of any births for us to find.
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Maddie
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30 Jan 2021 14:20 |
Edward Lancelot Knight Last name Pratt Publication year 1889 Country Scotland Periodical Edinburgh Gazette Issue date 17 Sep 1889 Issue number 10082 Record set Scotland, Edinburgh Gazette 1797-2018 Category Directories & social history Subcategory Newspapers & Magazines Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
appointed boy clerk to civil service commission
in case you don't have it
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Winson
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31 Jan 2021 05:16 |
Hello Erika,Maddie,ArgyllGran & Others,
Ok,thanks.I have found his birth date as 15 Feb 1875.I'm a historian of who based in Penang,Malaysia.My hobby is collecting pictures of governors in Penang & Malacca.Captain Edward Pratt who acted an appoinment as district judge & 1st magistrate in 1923 Penang.He might be acting for the Resident Councillor in Penang for a few weeks or days.So he wasn't Edward Lancelot Knight Pratt who were born in 1872.
Actually I'm looking for a picture of him.But I don't know where can I find one.As I don't have any information about his descendants.
He was known as Captain Pratt in Malaya.He returned to Malaya after his retirement in 1930 and joined the lawyer firm in Kuala Lumpur.He went back to England on June 1931.
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ArgyllGran
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31 Jan 2021 10:56 |
There's interesting mention of him - and his wife in a footnote - in this:
https://fadzilahyahayadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/yahaya_imw.pdf
Page 5 on the link - or page 3 of the actual document.
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ErikaH
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31 Jan 2021 14:47 |
You can't assume there were any descendants - not every couple produces offspring.
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ErikaH
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31 Jan 2021 14:51 |
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Name: Dorothy E Pratt Death Age: 74 Birth Date: abt 1885 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 236
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31 Jan 2021 16:33 |
You say, "He returned to Malaya after his retirement in 1930 and joined the lawyer firm in Kuala Lumpur.He went back to England on June 1931."
I posted a travel record from July 1931, which gives his occupation as "Malaya CS".
Do you mean he retired to England for good in 1931, or only that he went to England then but later returned to Kuala Lumpur (or wherever)?
Are you sure of his birth date? Where did you find that, please? Where was he born?
If you have the correct date, he doesn't seem to have been born in England. Only two English birth registrations fit in with that date:
PRATT, EDWARD mmn BURGESS GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 923
PRATT, EDWARD mmn DOW GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WISBECH Volume 03B Page 600
The Greenwich one (presumably) was a wine merchant in Battersea in 1939, with wife Ada. Coincidentally, his DOB was 15 Feb 1875.
The other (born 14 Jan 1875) was an incapacitated widower in Norfolk in 1939. Definitely not Captain Edward, though - the Norfolk man married Charlotte Long in 1902 in Kings Lynn.
I suspect Dorothy and Eleanor didn't have children, but you never know what the 1939 Register might show if E&D were in the UK then.
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Winson
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1 Feb 2021 05:25 |
Hello Erika,ArgyllGran,
Thanks for all these information.He retired to England for good in 1931.He has offered another judicial post in Malaya but he didn't return to Malaya anymore.
I have found these information on this link :- https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/
Yes,his wife.Dorothy who died in Nottingham or Isle of Man in 1959.
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