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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 12:46

Edward Pratt in the records posted by Maddie:

the image of the 1930 travel record shows he was travelling with his wife Dorothy Eleanor, 46.
Their UK address was The Haven, Torpaint, Cornwall.

Country of last permanent residence: "Other parts of the British Empire".
Country of intended future permanent residence: FMS


Possible marriage ??

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Clow Dorothy E Truro 5c 251
Pratt Edward Truro 5c 251

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 12:49

Edward Pratt
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Edward Pratt
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Birth Date: 1875
Marriage Date: 1911
Marriage Place: Saint Gerrans, Cornwall, England
Father: Edward Pratt
Spouse: Dorothy Eleanor Clow
FHL Film Number: 246794
Reference ID: 2:S5CT7X

What a pity they married after the 1911 census, and left before the 1939 Register!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 12:52

No help, but just because it's there:

Dorothy Eleanor Clow
in the Jamaica, Civil Registration Birth, Marriage, and Death Records, 1878-1930
Name: Dorothy Eleanor Clow
Gender: Female
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1884
Birth Place: Port Royal, Kingston, Jamaica
Father: George John Clow
Mother: Eleanor Lewis
FHL Film Number: 0538754

Dorothy Eleanor Clow
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Dorothy Eleanor Clow
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Post Royal, Resident, Jamaica
Civil Parish: Gerrans
Country: England
Street Address: Tregassa, Portscatho, Cornwall
Marital status: Single
Registration District Number: 296
Sub-registration District: St Just
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 13815
Household Members:
Name Age
Eleanor Clow 59
Dorothy Eleanor Clow 26
Annie Burrows 22


Biography of Dorothy's father:

https://tinyurl.com/y2rdov2y

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 12:55

BUT
if Winson is correct in thinking his Edward retired in 1929 - those records can't be for the right man.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 13:00

However, just in case -

the same couple arriving in England in 1927:

Edward Pratt
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Edward Pratt
Arrival Age: 52
Birth Date: abt 1875
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1927
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Penang; Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Hong Kong; Moji; Colombo; Batavia; Kobe
Ship Name: Delta
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 120709

Occupation: Malayan CS
Travelling with wife Dorothy Elene.
Adddress: c/o Admiral Clow, The Chalet, Teignmouth, Devon.


And in 1931:

Edward Pratt
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Edward Pratt
Arrival Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1875
Port of Departure: Hakodate, Japan
Arrival Date: 8 Jul 1931
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Penang; Marseilles
Ship Name: Calchas
Shipping Line: Blue Funnel Line
Official Number: 143742

Occupation: Malaya CS
Address: The Haven, Torpoint
Travelling with wife Dorothy E

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jan 2021 13:41

ancstry suggests this is edward

student in the civil serice

Name: Edward L K Pratt
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1873
Birth Place: Meole Brace, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Residence Place: Lambeth, London, England
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington Second
ED, Institution or Vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 406
Folio: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur E Lasbury 22
Edward L K Pratt 18
William Guy 31
Source Citation

BUT IT IS ONLY SPECULATION


1881
Berwick Grove, Atcham, Shropshire, England
Edward H Pratt Head Married Male 45 1836 Post Master Of Shrewsbury B A Oxford King's Norton, Worcestershire, England
Mary G Pratt Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Ford, Shropshire, England
Edward L K Pratt Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Meole Brace, Shropshire, England
Edith G Pratt Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Meole Brace, Shropshire, England
Lily M Pratt Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Atcham, Shropshire, England
Annie Hean Servant Single Female 21 1860 Cook Dom Lilleshall, Shropshire, England
Emily Jones Servant Single Female 17 1864 Housemaid Dom Leominster, Herefordshire, EnglandBerwick Grove, Atcham, Shropshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2021 14:29

Edward Lancelot K Pratt
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edward Lancelot K Pratt
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Atcham
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 686

Can't see him after 1891.


It's possible that Winson found the details about Captain Edward Pratt in a book
If it was a list of officials, I would have thought his middle intials would have been given, if he had any.
But that's just speculation.

Maddie

Maddie Report 29 Jan 2021 15:10

can't see anything on google, have to wait and see if has any more info, like children and where retirement date came from

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2021 15:17

OP

."I dont know when he was born,name of wife and children.I know he was retired from Singapore in 1930.I don't know names of his parents too."

Winson

Winson Report 30 Jan 2021 04:37

Hello Everyone,

Many thanks for these information. Yes,you did find Captain Edward Pratt birth date as 1875 and FMS - Federated Malay States / Malayan C S - Malayan Civil Service.So these is the correct information for him.A word - Legal Adviser in Johore.Yes,he did took up the appointment as Legal Adviser in Johore Bharu.Plus name if his wife,Dorothy Eleanor Clow which I don't know her name too.

Can you please try to help out the information about his children?.

Thanks again. ;-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Jan 2021 10:03

Try to do some research yourself, Winson.

It doesn’t seem that you are in any way related, so what is your reason for asking for the info about this person and his family

Maddie

Maddie Report 30 Jan 2021 11:24

there are no births on gro website and none mentioned on the travel records

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jan 2021 12:03

They seem to have spent their younger and potentially child-bearing years in Malaya, so IF they had any children they are likely to have been born abroad (ie - not in the UK), and so there will be no online records of any births for us to find.

Maddie

Maddie Report 30 Jan 2021 14:20

Edward Lancelot Knight
Last name Pratt
Publication year 1889
Country Scotland
Periodical Edinburgh Gazette
Issue date 17 Sep 1889
Issue number 10082
Record set Scotland, Edinburgh Gazette 1797-2018
Category Directories & social history
Subcategory Newspapers & Magazines
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland

appointed boy clerk to civil service commission

in case you don't have it

Winson

Winson Report 31 Jan 2021 05:16

Hello Erika,Maddie,ArgyllGran & Others,

Ok,thanks.I have found his birth date as 15 Feb 1875.I'm a historian of who based in Penang,Malaysia.My hobby is collecting pictures of governors in Penang & Malacca.Captain Edward Pratt who acted an appoinment as district judge & 1st magistrate in 1923 Penang.He might be acting for the Resident Councillor in Penang for a few weeks or days.So he wasn't Edward Lancelot Knight Pratt who were born in 1872.

Actually I'm looking for a picture of him.But I don't know where can I find one.As I don't have any information about his descendants.

He was known as Captain Pratt in Malaya.He returned to Malaya after his retirement in 1930 and joined the lawyer firm in Kuala Lumpur.He went back to England on June 1931.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jan 2021 10:56

There's interesting mention of him - and his wife in a footnote - in this:

https://fadzilahyahayadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/yahaya_imw.pdf

Page 5 on the link - or page 3 of the actual document.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2021 14:47

You can't assume there were any descendants - not every couple produces offspring.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2021 14:51

???

Name: Dorothy E Pratt
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration District: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 236

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jan 2021 16:33

You say, "He returned to Malaya after his retirement in 1930 and joined the lawyer firm in Kuala Lumpur.He went back to England on June 1931."

I posted a travel record from July 1931, which gives his occupation as "Malaya CS".

Do you mean he retired to England for good in 1931, or only that he went to England then but later returned to Kuala Lumpur (or wherever)?

Are you sure of his birth date? Where did you find that, please? Where was he born?

If you have the correct date, he doesn't seem to have been born in England.
Only two English birth registrations fit in with that date:

PRATT, EDWARD mmn BURGESS
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 923

PRATT, EDWARD mmn DOW
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WISBECH Volume 03B Page 600

The Greenwich one (presumably) was a wine merchant in Battersea in 1939, with wife Ada. Coincidentally, his DOB was 15 Feb 1875.

The other (born 14 Jan 1875) was an incapacitated widower in Norfolk in 1939. Definitely not Captain Edward, though - the Norfolk man married Charlotte Long in 1902 in Kings Lynn.


I suspect Dorothy and Eleanor didn't have children, but you never know what the 1939 Register might show if E&D were in the UK then.

Winson

Winson Report 1 Feb 2021 05:25

Hello Erika,ArgyllGran,

Thanks for all these information.He retired to England for good in 1931.He has offered another judicial post in Malaya but he didn't return to Malaya anymore.

I have found these information on this link :- https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/

Yes,his wife.Dorothy who died in Nottingham or Isle of Man in 1959.