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28 Jan 2021 08:12 |
I'm looking for descendants of Captain Edward Pratt,who was a magistrate and judge in 1920'S Singapore & Malaya.I dont know when he was born,name of wife and children.I know he was retired from Singapore in 1930.I don't know names of his parents too.
Can anyone help me with this enquiry?.
Best wishes, Winson Saw
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ErikaH
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28 Jan 2021 09:43 |
So, how do you relate to this man if you know nothing about his family?
Have you done any research yourself?
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2021 09:44 |
You say, "he was retired from Singapore in 1930" Do you mean he retired to the UK?
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Edward M Pratt in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Edward M Pratt Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 29 Aug 1865 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Green Sedges [ Greenhedges on image] Residence Place: Maidenhead, Berkshire, England Occupation: Judge, High Court Bombery {Bombay on image] retired Line Number: 40 Schedule Number: 122 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: DTBV Borough: Maidenhead Inferred Spouse: Gertrude A Pratt Household Members Age Edward M Pratt 74 Gertrude A Pratt 52 - 3/8/1887, private means, married Agnethe Buchardt 28 - 14/6/1911, single, domestic servant.
Edward Millard Pratt in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Edward Millard Pratt Death Date: 28 Jun 1949 Death Place: Berkshire, Berks, England Probate Date: 2 May 1952 Probate Registry: Oxford, England
Address: Greenhedges. Probate to widow Gertrude Augusta Pratt.
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28 Jan 2021 09:52 |
Edward Miliard Pratt in the UK, Registers of Employees of the East India Company and the India Office, 1746-1939 Name: Edward Miliard Pratt Record Type: Register Residence Date: 21 Dec 1886 Residence Place: India
Indian CS (judge and Sessions judge at Bombay). Educated at Dulwich College and University College, London. appointed after exam of 1884. Arrived 21 Dec 1886 and served as assistant "collr." and magistrate. 2nd assistant, March 1894. 1st assistant, March 1897 Judge and session judge, Sept 1897
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28 Jan 2021 09:54 |
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Edward Willard Pratt in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Edward Willard Pratt [ ]Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1866 Baptism Place: England, Chelsea Holy Trinity, Kensington and Chelsea Father: Edward Pratt Mother: Eliza Sarah Pratt Register Type: Parish Registers
Edward M. Pratt in the 1881 England Census Name: Edward M. Pratt Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Edward Pratt Mother: Eliza S. Pratt Gender: Male Where born: Paris British Subject, France Civil Parish: Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 23 Lancroft Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Camberwell Sub registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: Piece: 678 Folio: 76 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Edward Pratt 54 - Assistant Collr. (annd something), Bombay Presidency retired. Eliza S. Pratt 32 Edward M. Pratt 15 George M. Pratt 13 - Bombay Charles R. Pratt 12 - Vinigola (??), Bombay Presidency Frederick G. Pratt 11 - Bombay David C. Pratt 9 - Karwar (?), Bombay Julia H. Pratt 7 - Coomista (?), Bombay John T. Pratt 5 - ditto
Father born Bombay; mother born Poonah.
The occupation which I've assumed was the father's is actually written on the mother's line. I assumed that was a mistake - but maybe she was ahead of her time!
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28 Jan 2021 11:42 |
Edward Pratt in the England & Wales, Civil Divorce Records, 1858-1918 Name: Edward Pratt Gender: Male Record Type: Divorce Type: Wife's petition Petition Date: 1889 Spouse: Eliza Sara Pratt Divorce Court File Number: 2969
Divorce because of cruelty. Edward was the respondent, and Eliza the petitioner. Alimony £38 per annum, payable monthly, commencing 14 May 1889. 15 July 1889: Edward had changed his address to 91 Melbourne St, Sloane Square.
17 Feb 1990 - order re alimony amount. £100 per annum, payable quarterly, for the support and maintenance of the three youngest children. That amount to be reduced by the amount of any income Eliza might receive from a house at 15 Forrest Hill Road. If within 14 days Edward put Eliza in full legal possession of that house, the alimony would be reduced from £100 to £60 per annum.
Marriage cert image:
Marriage in Surat, Bombay Presidency, 27 Oct 1864. Edward Pratt, full age, widower, assistant commissioner of customs, Surat. Residence: Surat. Father's name: Edward Pratt.
Eliza Sarah Millard, 16, spinster, residence Surat. Father's name: Lieut.I.N. [ JN ??] James Millard.
They had 9 children "only now surviving":
Edward Millard - 29 Aug 1865. George Marlow - 13 April 1867 Charles Rasey - 29 aug 1868 Frederick Greville - 4 Dec 1869 David Cameron - 3 Nov 1871 Julia Honoria - 5 Nov 1874 John Thomas - 13 Jan 1976 Richard Septimus - 11 Oct 1881 William Henry - 27 Nov 1887
Edward had treated Eliza and children "with great unkindness and cruelty" for several years. 1880, at Boulogne, France, he had dragged Eliza up the stairs, pushed her down and pulled her hair. Summer 1881, Southampton, Hants, pushed he against the wall, swung her round and tore the sleeve of her dress. 1884 onwards, he refused to occupy the same bedroom as Eliza. (You would think she would be glad of that!) Summer 1885, at 15 Forest Hill Road, he pushed her about, knocked her against the table, and threw a jug full of water over her. March 1886, at 15 Forest Hill Road, he threatened to crush her head, and said that she deserved to be kicked out of doors. He frequently insulted, abused, and threatened her, and "kept her without servants, and without clothing and without money, and insisted upon offensive and uncleanly arrangements in the household". When teaching his children their lessons he spat upeon their exercises, and dragged the girl about by the hair. He frequently threatened and beat his children "with great cruelty and called them vile names". 15 March 1889, 15 Forest Hill Road, he swore at Eliza, beat his daughter Julia, and caused Eliza to have an attack of hysteria. 1 April 1889, 15 Forest Hill Road, he swore at Eliza and called her vile names. 22 April 1889, left Eliza without means of support. By reason of " his ill treatment and misconduct as aforesaid" Eliza's health was greatly impaired.
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28 Jan 2021 11:49 |
Edward Millard's marriage:
Edward M Pratt in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Edward M Pratt Spouse Surname: Lord Or Proes Registration Year: 1913 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: St Martin Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 1302 Records on Page: Name lGertrude A Lord Edward M Pratt Gertrude A Proes
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2021 11:54 |
Possible children - but you'd need to see the certs to be sure:
PRATT, JOHN SHEALS mmn LORD GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 146
PRATT, THOMAS JAMES mmn LORD GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in RICHMOND Volume 02A Page 997
PRATT, JOAN FRANCES mmn LORD GRO Reference: 1919 J Quarter in RICHMOND Volume 02A Page 683
[ EDIT: No , not Thomas 1916. His parents were Thomas Pratt and Alice Lord. Father was a soldier and died in Burma in 1933.]
Johnn Sheals Pratt (DOB 4/6/1914) became a doctor; was a resident medical officer in City Hospital, Chester in 1939; married Mary Elizabeth Selby-Bigge in 1951; died in London in 1956.
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28 Jan 2021 11:56 |
Edward's wife's first marriage:
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%) Lord Gertrude Augusta Croydon 2a 558 Proes Ernest Marinus Croydon 2a 558
Birth of child:
PROES, GEOFFREY ERNEST SULLIVAN mmn LORD GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 264
Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes Gender: Male Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1902 Baptism Place: Penge, Surrey, England Father: Ernest Marinus Proes Mother: Gertrude Augusta Proes FHL Film Number: 2145476 Reference ID: item 10 p 69
Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes in the Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes Gender: Male Marriage Age: 31 Birth Date: abt 1903 Marriage Date: 28 Jul 1934 Marriage Place: St Mark, North Audley Street, London, Westminster, England Parish as it Appears: St Mark's, North Audley Street Father: Ernest Marimes Proes Spouse: Nancy Madeleine Churcher
Major Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes in the Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current Name: Major Geoffrey Ernest Sullivan Proes Death Date: 19 Dec 1941 Cemetery: Sai Wan Memorial Burial or Cremation Place: Chai Wan, Hong Kong Island, Hong Kong
Gertrude's first husband was also in India;
Ernest Marinus Proes in the Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912 Name: Ernest Marinus Proes Birth Date: 28 Oct 1871 First Commission Date: 18 Feb 1898 Notes: G. G. O. 184, 18 Feb 98 Page Number: 156 Rank: 2nd-Lieutenant Company: Indian Army Reserve of Officers - Infantry
But born in South Africa:
Ernest Marinus Proes in the UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916 Name: Ernest Marinus Proes Relationship: Self (Head) Record Type: Certificate Birth Date: abt 1872 Birth Place: Pretoria, South Africa Residence Year: 1893 Residence Place: Surrey, England Father: Bernard Cornelius Ernest Proes Mother: Frances Elizabeth Proes
Ernest Marinus Proes in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: Ernest Marinus Proes Gender: M (Male) Birth Date: 28 Sep 1871 Death Date: 27 Nov 1940 Cemetery: Paignton Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Paignton, Torbay Unitary Authority, Devon, England
Photo of gravestone on findagrave shows a lot of inscription, but not clearly enough to read.
Anyway - not relevent to Edward Pratt.
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Maddie
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28 Jan 2021 15:51 |
froma tree on ancestry -----. MA marktaylor53 father
Edward John Pratt 1827–1897 Birth 1827 • Bombay Death 1897
1827 • Bombay
1827
(AGE) Birth of Son Edward Millard Pratt(1865–1949) 29 Aug 1865 • Paris, France
1865
38 Birth of Son George Marlowe Pratt(1867–1904) 13 Apr 1867 • Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1867
40 Birth of Son Charles Rary Pratt(1869–) abt 1869 • Vingorte, Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1869
42 Birth of Son Frederick Greville Pratt(1869–1949) 4 Dec 1869 • Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1869
42 Birth of Son David Cameron Pratt(1871–1952) 3 Nov 1871 • Kawar, Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1871
44 Birth of Daughter Julia Honoria Pratt(1874–) abt 1874 • Coomtala, Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1874
47 Birth of Son John Thomas Pratt Kt(1876–1970) 13 Jan 1876 • Coomtala, Bombay, Maharashtra, India
1876
49 Residence 1881 • Camberwell, London, England
Marital Status: Married; Relationship to Head: Head
1881
54 Birth of Son Richard Septimus Pratt(1882–1975) 11 Oct 1882 • Camberwell, London, England
1882
55 Birth of Son William Henry "Boris Karloff" Pratt(1887–1968) 23 November 1887 • Camberwell, London, England
1887
60 Divorce 1889 Eliza Sarah Millard
(1848–1893)
1889
62 Death 1897
mother
Eliza Sarah Millard 1848–1893 Birth 25 JUNE 1848 • Poona, Bombay, India Death DEC 1893 • Marylebone, London, England
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: James Millard Gender: Male Spouse: Eliza Julia Child: Eliza Sarah Millard
Name: James Milliard Gender: Male Age: 38 Birth Date: 1807 Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1845 Marriage Place: Deesa, Bombay, India Father: David Milliard Spouse: Eliza Edwards FHL Film Number: 523844
Name: Eliza Julia Millard Gender: Female Marital status: Married Age: 34 Birth Date: 1830 Death Date: 13 Jun 1864 Burial Date: 14 Jun 1864 Burial Place: Bombay, Bombay, India Spouse: James Millard FHL Film Number: 523923
could he have been married before Edward John Pratt Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Apr 1849 Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India Event Place (Original): Bycullah, Bombay, India Sex: Male Age: 28 Birth Year (Estimated): 1821 Father's Name: Edward Pratt Spouse's Name: Juliana Cambell Spouse's Sex: Female Spouse's Age: 17 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1832 Spouse's Father's Name: Archibald Douglas Campbell
Edward John Pratt Sex: Male Wife: Juliana Daughter: Emma Caroline Margaret Pratt Other information in the record of Emma Caroline Margaret Pratt from India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Emma Caroline Margaret Pratt Event Type: Christening Event Date: 2 Jun 1850 Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India Event Place (Original): Bombay, Bombay, India Sex: Female Birth Date: 12 Jan 1850 Father's Name: Edward John Pratt Mother's Name: Juliana
Edward John Pratt Sex: Male Wife: Juliane Son: Edward Pratt Other information in the record of Edward Pratt from India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Edward Pratt Event Type: Christening Event Date: 14 Dec 1850 Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India Event Place (Original): Bombay, Bombay, India Sex: Male Birth Date: 1 Dec 1850 Father's Name: Edward John Pratt Mother's Name: Juliana
Juliana Last name Pratt Birth year 1832 Age 19 Burial date 03 Jan 1851 Place Bombay,St Thomas Presidency Bombay Archive The British Library Archive Reference N-3-25 Folio - Page 55
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Maddie
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28 Jan 2021 16:03 |
Name: Edward John Pratt Birth Date: 1826 Birth Place: Mumbai (Bombay), Maharashtra, India Death Date: 1897 Death Place: City of Paris, Île-de-France, France Has Bio?: Y Spouse: Eliza Sarah Pratt URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Name: Eliza Sarah Pratt Birth Date: 25 Jun 1848 Birth Place: Pune (Poona), Maharashtra, India Death Date: 15 Dec 1906 Death Place: Enfield, London Borough of Enfield, Greater London, England Has Bio?: Y Spouse: Edward John Pratt URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
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Maddie
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28 Jan 2021 16:08 |
speculation
Edward Last name Pratt Marriage year 1818 Marriage date 20 Jul 1818 Spouse's first name Margaret Spouse's last name Sheals Place Bombay Presidency Bombay Groom's father's first name - Groom's father's last name - Bride's father's first name - Bride's father's last name - Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, : Archive reference N-3-5
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2021 16:23 |
Maddie said, "could he have been married before".
Yes, he was a widower when he married Eliza.
Marriage cert details posted earlier.
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Maddie
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28 Jan 2021 16:28 |
sorry missed it
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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!
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28 Jan 2021 21:46 |
Love that Boris Karloff was his brother.
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ArgyllGran
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28 Jan 2021 21:54 |
It's a better name for acting those parts than William Pratt.
Perhaps "Boris" based his acting persona on his father?
"Pratt was bow-legged, had a lisp, and stuttered as a young boy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Karloff
No wonder, with a childhood like that.
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Winson
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29 Jan 2021 05:02 |
Hello Everyone,
Ok,thanks.Captain Edward Pratt didn't served in India before.He was served in Straits Settlements - Singapore & Malaya as magistrate,judge and retired in 1929.Went back to England.He was married.But I don't have any information about his parents,wife or children.I don't know when he was died too.
He was barrister of the Middle Temple.I suspect he was a son of Antwerp Edgar Pratt(1852-1924).
Can you please try to help me to find more information about him?.
Best wishes, Winson Saw
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29 Jan 2021 10:14 |
That's a pity! OK, change of tack.
Antwerp Edgar Pratt in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Antwerp Edgar Pratt Gender: Male Age: 30 Birth Date: 1852 Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1882 Marriage Place: Newchurch, Hampshire, England Father: Charles Pratt Spouse: Alice Mary Spanner FHL Film Number: 1470883 Reference ID: Item 16
Antwerp E Pratt in the 1891 England Census Name: Antwerp E Pratt Gender: Male Age: 39 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1852 Spouse: Alice M Pratt Child: Dorothy M S Pratt Charles H Pratt Edgar E B Pratt Frances A N Pratt Birth Place: Isle of Wight, Ryde Civil Parish: Ryde Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Residence Place: Ryde, Ryde, Hampshire, England Registration District: Isle Of Wight Sub registration district: Ryde ED, Institution or Vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 891 Folio: 55 Household Members: Name Age Antwerp E Pratt 39 Alice M Pratt 33 Dorothy M S Pratt 6 Charles H Pratt 4 Edgar E B Pratt 2 Frances A N Pratt 1 Eva Warren 25
Alice Mary G Pratt in the 1901 England Census Name: Alice Mary G Pratt Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Isle of Wight, Ryde Civil Parish: Hove Ecclesiastical parish: St Patrick County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Steyning Sub-registration District: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Neighbors: Piece: 935 Folio: 127 Page Number: 3 Household Schedule Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Alice Mary G Pratt 43 Dorothy M S Pratt 16 - Southampton Charles Henry Pratt 14 - Southampton Edgar Chas B Pratt 12 - China Francis Anne N Pratt 11 - Ryde, IOW Feliz B Thomas Pratt 9 - Ryde Carlo Francis J E Pratt 2 - Ryde Helen Isabella Sharp 24
Antwerp Edgar Pratt in the 1911 England Census Name: Antwerp Edgar Pratt Age in 1911: 59 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Ryde Isle of Wight Civil Parish: Hanwell Country: England Street Address: 1 Elthorne Park Road, Hanwell W Marital status: Married Occupation: Naturalist Registration District Number: 128 Sub-registration District: Hanwell ED, institution, or vessel: 01 Piece: 6854 Household Members: Name Age Antwerp Edgar Pratt 59 Alice Mary Pratt 53 Dorothy Mary Longhurst Pratt 23 Frances Anne Norma Pratt 21 Carlos Joseph Francis Eugine Pratt 12
No son called Edward.
Looking at Edgar, just in case - according to this travel record, when he went to Belawan, Sumatrra with his wife and daughter, he was a planter. So not him.
Mr Edgar Charles Bothwell Pratt in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Mr Edgar Charles Bothwell Pratt Gender: Male Age: 46 Birth Date: abt 1889 Departure Date: 9 Aug 1935 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: Belawan Ship Name: Marnix Van Sint Aldegonde Shipping Line: Nederland Line Royal Dutch Mail Master: Kgvander Laan
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29 Jan 2021 10:16 |
Do you know where in England he retired to?
How do you know about him?
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29 Jan 2021 12:41 |
clutching at straws
Name: Edward Pratt Gender: Male Initiation Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1875 Initiation Date: 16 Apr 1921 First Payment Year on Register: 1921 Year Range: 1910-1921 Profession: Legal Adviser Lodge: Johore Royal Lodge Lodge Location: Johore Bahru Malay Peninsular Lodge Number: 3946 Folio Number: 177
Edward Last name Pratt Gender Male Age 55 Birth year 1875 Marital status M Occupation Barrister Departure year 1930 Departure day 26 Departure month 4 Departure port Birkenhead Destination port Penang Destination Penang Country Malaysia Destination country Malaysia Ship name Elpenor Ship official number 137536 Ship master's first name R J Ship master's last name Wilson Shipping line The Blue Funnel Ship destination port Japan Ship destination country Japan Ship registered tonnage 4824
with Dorothy Eleanor Last name Pratt Title MRS Gender Female Age 46 Birth year 1884 Marital status M Departure year 1930 Departure day 26 Departure month 4 Departure port Birkenhead
Name: Edward Pratt Arrival Age: 52 Birth Date: abt 1875 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1927 Port of Arrival: London, England Ports of Voyage: Penang; Shanghai; Hong Kong; Singapore; Hong Kong; Moji; Colombo; Batavia; Kobe Ship Name: Delta Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd Official Number: 120709 colonial service with dorothy
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