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7 Sep 2020 19:16 |
Hi Ive recently got back into my family tree and i am looking for two sons and a daughter of my Aunt Nance ( Gilks ) this is her maiden name 1920 -1998 /she married Peter Hill .He was possibly American /and was in the Queens own Hussars ,this info i got from another Aunt .They had three children named Paul / Peter /Carolanne .If anyone has any info it would be much appreciated Many Thanks
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 19:48 |
The daughter may have been born in Birmingham in 1947, with mms written as Gilles. (Carol A Hill).
I'm not posting it here, as she is likely still alive, as is also the case with the sons, but you can easily find it on FreeBMD.
Your aunt's birth?? Although you have her birth as in Alcester on your GR tree.
Births Jun 1920 (>99%) Gilks Nancy (mms Simmonds) Shipston 6d 1963
Unfortunately, to find your cousins may be hard, if not impossible, as they have such common names.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 19:52 |
I don't see a marriage to Peter Hill.
However, there is this marriage, which seems to relate to that birth above:
Nancy Gilks in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Nancy Gilks Registration Date: Oct 1952 [Nov 1952] [Dec 1952] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Shipston Inferred County: Warwickshire Spouse: Wallace F Kemp Volume Number: 9c Page Number: 1609
There's a Kemp/Gilks son born in 1953.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 19:53 |
Nancy Gilks in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Nancy Gilks [Nancy Kemp] Gender: Female Marital status: Single Birth Date: 19 Apr 1920 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Idlicote House Residence Place: Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England Occupation: House Parlourmaid Line Number: 10 Schedule Number: 23 Sub Schedule Number: 10 Enumeration District: QFHE Borough: Shipston-on-Stour Registration District: 396.1 QFHE Household Members: Name Cyril Rogers Andrews Edith Andrews Ruth Mary Andrews Enid Horton Fryer Frank Stuart Fryer This record is officially closed. Elizabeth Cameron Frederick Hamlyn Elizabeth Hamlyn Nancy Gilks Muriel Edith Franks Ada Boddington This record is officially closed. Eva Thomas
This is the death of that Nancy - have I got the wrong person?? You say she died in 1998.
Nancy Kemp in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Nancy Kemp Death Age: 62 Birth Date: 19 Apr 1920 Registration Date: Apr 1982 [May 1982] [Jun 1982] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Shipston on Stour Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 31 Page: 0344
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 19:57 |
Re 1998 - there's this death, but it's for a woman born in 1925, not 1920
Nancy Hill in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Nancy Hill Death Age: 73 Birth Date: 15 May 1925 Registration Date: Jun 1998 Registration District: Dudley Inferred County: West Midlands Register Number: B43F District and Subdistrict: 0651B Entry Number: 151
There is no birth of a Nancy Gilks in 1925, in England/Wales.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 20:16 |
Wallace's death:
KEMP, WALLACE FAULKNER 1919 GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2007 in Warwickshire South (7751A) Reg 1A001 Entry Number 192
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 20:23 |
The Hill daughter may have married in1965 in Alcester - see FreeBMD.
If so, they are living in Warwickshire per the current Electoral Roll - see Electoral Rolls under "Search" at the top right of this page.
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malyon
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7 Sep 2020 20:54 |
there is this birth for a nancy Births Jun 1920 Gilks Nancy Simmonds Shipston
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 20:55 |
That's already posted, Malyon.
I had assumed that's the correct birth, but she died in 1982, not 1998 as Richard claims, and appears not to have actually married Peter Hill.
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malyon
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7 Sep 2020 21:04 |
Marriages Dec 1952 (>99%) view GILKS Nancy KEMP Shipston 9c 1609 Scan available - click to view
KEMP Wallace F GILKS Shipston 9c 1609
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 21:05 |
That marriage also already posted, Malyon.
But maybe all the foregoing is wrong - apart from the children's births and the daughter's whereabouts.
Maybe this is the correct woman below.
"Nance" may be a version of Annie, and maybe Mr Hill's name wasn't Peter!.
Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%) Gilks Annie Hill Alcester 6d 2804 Hill Roland Gilks Alcester 6d 2804
Her birth, possibly at the end of 1920:
Births Mar 1921 (>99%) Gilks Annie Bennett Kings N. 6d 212
Maybe the son Peter's middle name is Roland.
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ErikaH
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7 Sep 2020 21:07 |
Look in 'search all member trees'
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ErikaH
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7 Sep 2020 21:10 |
Richard has Nancy in his tree as being born in Alcester in 1920
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 21:14 |
I know.
But there's no Nancy, Annie, or similar Gilks born in Alcester around 1920.
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ErikaH
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7 Sep 2020 21:16 |
For info only..........................the 1920 birth's family
1939 Oxhill Beech Road, Shipston-On-Stour, Shipston-On-Stour R.D., Warwickshire, England Albert C Gilks 09 Nov 1897 Male Master Blacksmith Married 29 1 Caroline J Gilks 18 Oct 1897 Female Unpaid Dometsic Duti Married 29 2 Joyce Findon (Gilks) 24 May 1926 Female At School Single 29 3 One closed record
I think 'Alcester' is misleading and not fact-based
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ErikaH
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7 Sep 2020 21:23 |
Richard's direct line is this family in 1939
Eli Gilks (Gilkes) 31 Dec 1895 Male Road Foreman Married 72 1 Nellie Gilks 19 Apr 1896 Female Unpaid Household Duties Married 72 2 Tom Gilks 15 Dec 1919 Male Road Labourer Single 72 3 The record for this person is officially closed. William Gilks 08 Jun 1924 Male Cable Worker Single 72 5 Eli Gilks 21 Dec 1926 Male At School Single 72 6 George Gilks 18 Dec 1928 Male At School Single 72 7
Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%) BENNETT Nellie L Gilks Aston 6d 567 Gilks Eli Bennett Aston 6d 567
In which case................... as above
Births Mar 1921 (>99%) Gilks Annie Bennett Kings N. 6d 212
Which comes back to the marriage to Roland Hill in 1939
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HILL, ANNIE 1920 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1998 in Warrington (3461A) Reg A53C Entry Number 143
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ArgyllGran
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7 Sep 2020 22:16 |
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Roland Hill in the New York, New York, Index to Birth Certificates, 1866-1909 Name: Roland Hill Gender : Male Race : White Birth Date: 29 Oct 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Place: New York City, New York, New York, USA Residence Address: E. 101th St: New York 210 Certificate Number: 42029 Father: Frederich Hill Mother: Katie Hill Mother Maiden Name: Salomon
Roland Hill in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Roland Hill Death Age: 88 Birth Date: 29 Oct 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration Date: Jun 1987 Registration District: Havering Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 13 Page: 115
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ErikaH
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8 Sep 2020 08:16 |
1939 54 Dockar Road, Birmingham, Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
Hill household (2 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Roland Hill 28 Oct 1898 Male Commissionaires (Aircraft) Married 55 1 Hilda T Kynaston 11 Jul 1913 Female Bottle Inspector (Dairy) Single 55 2 PLUS - one closed record, which FMP have not included as a household member - erroneously, IMO
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ArgyllGran
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8 Sep 2020 09:40 |
Can't see Annie/Nance Hill in 1939, with a DOB in late 1920 (or early 1921 if Richard's info isn't quite correct). Of course DOB's aren't always correct on 1939 Register in any case.
Hilda Irene Kynaston seems to be just a lodger. She married twice, in 1951 and 1960, both times in Cheltenham, and died in 1990 in Birmingham.
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ErikaH
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8 Sep 2020 10:06 |
As she didn’t die until 1998, she’s unlikely to be on 1939, unless someone has picked it up - or they have been notified.
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