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Richard

Richard Report 7 Sep 2020 19:16

Hi Ive recently got back into my family tree and i am looking for two sons and a daughter of my Aunt Nance ( Gilks ) this is her maiden name 1920 -1998 /she married Peter Hill
.He was possibly American /and was in the Queens own Hussars ,this info i got from another Aunt .They had three children named Paul / Peter /Carolanne .If anyone has any info it would be much appreciated Many Thanks

Richard

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 19:48

The daughter may have been born in Birmingham in 1947, with mms written as Gilles.
(Carol A Hill).

I'm not posting it here, as she is likely still alive, as is also the case with the sons, but you can easily find it on FreeBMD.

Your aunt's birth?? Although you have her birth as in Alcester on your GR tree.

Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Gilks Nancy (mms Simmonds) Shipston 6d 1963


Unfortunately, to find your cousins may be hard, if not impossible, as they have such common names.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 19:52

I don't see a marriage to Peter Hill.

However, there is this marriage, which seems to relate to that birth above:

Nancy Gilks
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Nancy Gilks
Registration Date: Oct 1952
[Nov 1952]
[Dec 1952]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Shipston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Spouse: Wallace F Kemp
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1609


There's a Kemp/Gilks son born in 1953.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 19:53

Nancy Gilks
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Nancy Gilks
[Nancy Kemp]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1920
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Idlicote House
Residence Place: Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England
Occupation: House Parlourmaid
Line Number: 10
Schedule Number: 23
Sub Schedule Number: 10
Enumeration District: QFHE
Borough: Shipston-on-Stour
Registration District: 396.1 QFHE
Household Members:
Name
Cyril Rogers Andrews
Edith Andrews
Ruth Mary Andrews
Enid Horton Fryer
Frank Stuart Fryer
This record is officially closed.
Elizabeth Cameron
Frederick Hamlyn
Elizabeth Hamlyn
Nancy Gilks
Muriel Edith Franks
Ada Boddington
This record is officially closed.
Eva Thomas

This is the death of that Nancy - have I got the wrong person?? You say she died in 1998.

Nancy Kemp
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nancy Kemp
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1920
Registration Date: Apr 1982
[May 1982]
[Jun 1982]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Shipston on Stour
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 31
Page: 0344

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 19:57

Re 1998 - there's this death, but it's for a woman born in 1925, not 1920

Nancy Hill
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nancy Hill
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 15 May 1925
Registration Date: Jun 1998
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: West Midlands
Register Number: B43F
District and Subdistrict: 0651B
Entry Number: 151


There is no birth of a Nancy Gilks in 1925, in England/Wales.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 20:16

Wallace's death:

KEMP, WALLACE FAULKNER 1919
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2007 in Warwickshire South (7751A) Reg 1A001 Entry Number 192

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 20:23

The Hill daughter may have married in1965 in Alcester - see FreeBMD.

If so, they are living in Warwickshire per the current Electoral Roll - see Electoral Rolls under "Search" at the top right of this page.

malyon

malyon Report 7 Sep 2020 20:54

there is this birth for a nancy
Births Jun 1920
Gilks Nancy Simmonds Shipston

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 20:55

That's already posted, Malyon.

I had assumed that's the correct birth, but she died in 1982, not 1998 as Richard claims, and appears not to have actually married Peter Hill.

malyon

malyon Report 7 Sep 2020 21:04

Marriages Dec 1952 (>99%)
view
GILKS Nancy KEMP Shipston 9c 1609 Scan available - click to view

KEMP Wallace F GILKS Shipston 9c 1609

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 21:05

That marriage also already posted, Malyon.



But maybe all the foregoing is wrong - apart from the children's births and the daughter's whereabouts.

Maybe this is the correct woman below.

"Nance" may be a version of Annie, and maybe Mr Hill's name wasn't Peter!.

Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Gilks Annie Hill Alcester 6d 2804
Hill Roland Gilks Alcester 6d 2804

Her birth, possibly at the end of 1920:

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Gilks Annie Bennett Kings N. 6d 212

Maybe the son Peter's middle name is Roland.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 Sep 2020 21:07

Look in 'search all member trees'

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 Sep 2020 21:10

Richard has Nancy in his tree as being born in Alcester in 1920


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 21:14

I know.

But there's no Nancy, Annie, or similar Gilks born in Alcester around 1920.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 Sep 2020 21:16

For info only..........................the 1920 birth's family

1939
Oxhill Beech Road, Shipston-On-Stour, Shipston-On-Stour R.D., Warwickshire, England
Albert C Gilks 09 Nov 1897 Male Master Blacksmith Married 29 1
Caroline J Gilks 18 Oct 1897 Female Unpaid Dometsic Duti Married 29 2
Joyce Findon (Gilks) 24 May 1926 Female At School Single 29 3
One closed record

I think 'Alcester' is misleading and not fact-based

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 7 Sep 2020 21:23

Richard's direct line is this family in 1939

Eli Gilks (Gilkes) 31 Dec 1895 Male Road Foreman Married 72 1
Nellie Gilks 19 Apr 1896 Female Unpaid Household Duties Married 72 2
Tom Gilks 15 Dec 1919 Male Road Labourer Single 72 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
William Gilks 08 Jun 1924 Male Cable Worker Single 72 5
Eli Gilks 21 Dec 1926 Male At School Single 72 6
George Gilks 18 Dec 1928 Male At School Single 72 7


Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
BENNETT Nellie L Gilks Aston 6d 567
Gilks Eli Bennett Aston 6d 567

In which case................... as above

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Gilks Annie Bennett Kings N. 6d 212

Which comes back to the marriage to Roland Hill in 1939

?????????

HILL, ANNIE 1920
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/1998 in Warrington (3461A) Reg A53C Entry Number 143

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Sep 2020 22:16

??

Roland Hill
in the New York, New York, Index to Birth Certificates, 1866-1909
Name: Roland Hill
Gender : Male
Race : White
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: New York City, New York, New York, USA
Residence Address: E. 101th St: New York 210
Certificate Number: 42029
Father: Frederich Hill
Mother: Katie Hill
Mother Maiden Name: Salomon


Roland Hill
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Roland Hill
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jun 1987
Registration District: Havering
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 115

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Sep 2020 08:16

1939
54 Dockar Road, Birmingham, Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

Hill household
(2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Roland Hill 28 Oct 1898 Male Commissionaires (Aircraft) Married 55 1
Hilda T Kynaston 11 Jul 1913 Female Bottle Inspector (Dairy) Single 55 2
PLUS - one closed record, which FMP have not included as a household member - erroneously, IMO

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2020 09:40

Can't see Annie/Nance Hill in 1939, with a DOB in late 1920 (or early 1921 if Richard's info isn't quite correct).
Of course DOB's aren't always correct on 1939 Register in any case.

Hilda Irene Kynaston seems to be just a lodger.
She married twice, in 1951 and 1960, both times in Cheltenham, and died in 1990 in Birmingham.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Sep 2020 10:06

As she didn’t die until 1998, she’s unlikely to be on 1939, unless someone has picked it up - or they have been notified.