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?? for sons of Alice Maud Vinson 1919 Tavistock..

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Aug 2020 12:13

When ordering the birth cert, make sure you quote all the details EXACTLY as given in the transcription.

Unknown

Unknown Report 17 Aug 2020 11:26

Thank you for all of your research and help I didn’t have Phyllis’s husband and a bit more information on Sidney Vinson I didn’t know.
I will register free on gro and go from there.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 18:24

I posted the details of two of the sisters' marriages - didn't you notice?
Here's the third

Name: Phyllis M Vinson
Registration Date: Jul 1945
[Aug 1945]
[Sep 1945]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Tavistock
Inferred County: Devon
Spouse: Raymond James
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 1022

Name: Phyllis May James
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1924
Registration Date: May 2006
Registration district: east Retford
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Register Number: 2A
District and Subdistrict: 686/1A
Entry Number: 210

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 18:19

First name(s) Sidney Edward
Last name Vinson
Death year 1918
Death date 06 Nov 1918
Occupation Porter, Traffic Department, Horrabridge
Railway company Great Western Railway
Railway department -
Service number 865602
Rank Gunner
Unit 122Nd Brigade
Regiment Royal Field Artillery
Cemetery or memorial Cross Roads Cemetery, Faontaine-au-Bois
Country Great Britain
Notes
Husband of A Vinson of 10 Taylor Square, Tavistock
Photo Yes
Information source St Paul's Cathedral Order of Service 1919
Magazine reference Great Western Railway staff magazine 1919/03/46. Photo: 1919/06/109
Archive National Railway Museum
Record set British Army, Railwaymen Died In The Great War

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Aug 2020 17:56

You can't look at anyone's tree on GR without the tree owner's permission, no matter what level of membership you have.

And a search on "Search all member trees" (under "Search" at the top of this page) shows that nobody has Eustace on their GR tree in any case.

As already said, to find out if Eustace is Alice's child or not, you 'll have to buy a copy of the birth cert.

Register free with the GRO site - https://www.gro.gov.uk.
Then place an order for the birth cert, carefully quoting all the reference numbers, etc shown on the transcription which you've viewed.

Unknown

Unknown Report 16 Aug 2020 17:49

I think as I have the basic package on here I can’t search other family trees on here? I’ve just viewed the record transcription of Eustace M and mothers name is Vinson no more details. Which could be Alices child as born in Plymouth the next town to Tavistock or one of her sisters children? Or someone else’s entirely. How do I find out further please?
Thank you for all of your help

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 16:07

Only as you've already been advised - on freebmd - then buy the certs to verify mother's details

If - as you say - they were adopted, that's the end of the line

You'll just have to wait to see whether your father's adding himself to the adoption contact register bears fruit

DNA is of value whatsoever unless there is a sample with which to make comparisons

Unknown

Unknown Report 16 Aug 2020 16:05

I have searched a few family trees that have the same trees and made contact with three people...one was a distant family member in the USA I haven’t heard back from the other two. But I believe this to be in My heritage

Unknown

Unknown Report 16 Aug 2020 16:03

Isn’t there any way I can search for all Alice Mauds children in a search? I have her marriage certificates and her DOB and death date on my heritage as my dad joined when he did his DNA

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 15:58

Have you followed the advice about searching in member trees?

A member named Michael has Alice's father in his tree

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Aug 2020 15:51

Same goes for Phyllis - you need the birth cert for all the relevant details, although in this instance her father's probably not listed.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 15:49

CREEPER, HANNAH (mmn) GLIDDON
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in TAVISTOCK Volume 05B Page 376

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 15:47

1939

Name: Phyllis May Vinson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1924
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 58,
Residence Place: Tavistock, Devon, England
Line Number: 14
Schedule Number: 329
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: WGBB
Borough: Tavistock
Registration district: 279-1.
Household Members:
Name
Annie Vinson Birth Date: 22 Jun 1882
Phyllis May Vinson

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 15:47

You can't assume that Eustace is Alice's child - you need a copy of the birth cert for proof

There are a lot of Vinson/Vinson births on freebmd

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Aug 2020 15:45

Catherine -

we don't know if Eustace is one of the brothers or not - it just seems a fairly strong possibility.
You'd have to buy a copy of the birth cert to be sure one way or the other.

Unknown

Unknown Report 16 Aug 2020 15:18

Thank you -I know I don’t know who the father is for Phyllis?

I didn’t realise the Eustace M (don’t hear many of those) significance thank you I’ll try and find that on freebmd...so he’s the older brother born 1940 no father?? which leaves the youngest brother still to find Thank you!!
I found my Dads eldest brothers family Toney Vinson (he sadly passed away 10 years ago) on Facebook from basic details but a wedding photo! Then one other brother was mentioned then another all only a month ago!! Started me doing the family tree..you can tell I was shielding lol ??

Unknown

Unknown Report 16 Aug 2020 15:08

Oh really thank you id never used or heard of that site and it takes some time to navigate and get used to -freeBMD

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 14:45

1939

2 Chapel Hill,Whitchurch, Tavistock, Tavistock U.D., Devon, England
John Howell 05 Sep 1895 Male Gardener Married 134 1
Dorothy A Horrell 02 Feb 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 134 2
Sydney C Horrell 22 Aug 1938 Male Under School Age Single 134 3

First name(s) DOROTHY ANNIE
Last name HORRELL
Gender Female
Birth day 2
Birth month 2
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 2004
District St. Austell

1912 as Dorothy's birth year on 1939 register is an error

Births Dec 1938 (>99%)
Horrell Sidney C J Vinson Tavistock 5b 408

Plus a daughter - record on freebmd. And her marriage

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 14:35

One of the 'closed' records in 1939

First name(s) GLADYS M
Last name CLEAVE
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1951
GLADYS M CLEAVE married
Frederick H Stephens
District Tavistock

......and the other

First name(s) BETTY A
Last name CLEAVE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1958
BETTY A CLEAVE married
Ronald G Hicks
District Tavistock

One further Cleave/Vinson child - see the birth registration on freebmd

Not answering your original query, I know, but perhaps filling in some gaps for your father

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2020 14:25

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Cleave Frederick J Vinson Tavistock 5b 924
Vinson Adelaide M Cleave Tavistock 5b 924

1939
No 4 Church Park Cottages Mill Hill, Tavistock, Tavistock R.D., Devon, England
Frederic J (Frederick John) Cleave ? May 1909 Male Builders Labour Heavy W Married 38 1
Adelaide M Cleave 12 Sep 1913 Female Unpaid Dd Married 38 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.


First name(s) ADELAIDE MARY
Last name CLEAVE
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 9
Birth year 1914
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1998
District Sedgemoor