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If you feel the 1942 marriage is worth looking into, the cert would give you that Bert's age and father's name, so that you would know if he was the man born in 1920 or not.
Otherwise, I can't think of any way you could find out if Bert 1920 is your grandfather or not - unless any elderly family member recognises any of the details re his parents
Siblings:
WARD, DAISY FLORENCE mms TILDESLEY
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 205
WARD, KATHLEEN SOPHIA mms TILDESLEY
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 125
WARD, REGINALD BERT mms TILDESLEY
GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 35
Lilian May Ward
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lilian May Ward
[Lilian May Tildesley]
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire
Civil Parish: Halesowen
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: 18 Great Cornbow, Halesowen
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Stourbridge
Registration District Number: 373
Sub-registration district: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Piece: 17469
Household Members:
Name Age
Major Tildesley 55
Edith Tildesley 45
Lilian May Ward 21
Daisy Tildesley 5
Edith R Tildesley 10
Daisy Ward 2
Ward 0
Lillian May Tidderley English [ English is her nationality, not part of name ]
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Lillian May Tidderley
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1908
Marriage Place: Kidderminster
Document Year: 1920
Residence Place: 17 Gt Dambow Halesonen [ Gt Cornbow, Halesowen on image ]
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Military History Sheet
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Bert Ward Self (Head)
Lillian May Tidderley English Spouse
David Ward Child [ Daisy on image ]
Cathie Ward Child
Reggie Ward Child
Lillian May Ward
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Lillian May Ward
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 16 May 1889
Registration Date: Jul 1974
[Aug 1974]
[Sep 1974]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 33
Page: 0649
Bert senior's death:
Deaths Mar 1971 (>99%)
WARD Bertram 1De1885 Stourbridge 9d 445
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Thank you there is no one else that can help I’m only guessing at any other info other than Bert Ward in a brass band
My guess is he was born around 1920 (+\-5)
Hopefully someone will read this who knows or knew him (long shot I know)
Thank you ArgyllGran I’m going to look into your information xx
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Just a suggestion -
Perhaps Bert's name was actually Bert ??
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Ward Bert Tildesley Stourbridge 6c 21
Parents' marriage ??
Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
TILDESLEY Lilian Mary Kidderminster 6c 246
TILDESLEY Lilian May Kidderminster 6c 246
WARD Albert Bert Kidderminster 6c 246
Bert Ward Sr
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Bert Ward Sr
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 21 Great Combow
Residence Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Occupation: General Labourer- Road Works
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 113
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: QJGA
Borough: Halesowen
Registration district: 373/1/27.
Inferred Spouse: Lillian M Ward
Household Members:
Name
Bert Ward
Lillian M Ward
[and one closed record with them - presumably Bert junior]
Only two Bert Wards with no middle initial on ERs - East Lothian and Glamorgan - but only in 2002.
A Bert Ward married an Annie Irish in Bromsgove in 1942 - no idea if that's the same person or not.
EDIT:
Maybe not - Ancestry suggests this is that Annie (Amy ?) in 1939:
Amy M Irish
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Amy M Irish
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widow
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1872
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Lyndale
Residence Place: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 27
Schedule Number: 189
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: QJBR
Borough: Bromsgrove
Household Members:
Name
Amy M Irish
Alfred Lorkett
So possibly her death:
Deaths Sep 1954 (>99%)
WARD Amy M 70 Birmingham 9c 179
If so - that 1942 marriage is unlikely to be that of the Bert born 1920.
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Are there any aunts, uncles , cousins or old family friends who might know some information that will help.?
Your post suggests that others in the Northfield area knew of the link between Bert and your family.
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Yes he was born 1946 mom was born 1947 I always mix them up
Ive tried all sorts of records but I have no more information on him.
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Your father was actually born a year earlier than you thought
Births Dec 1946 (>99%)
Deeley Robert J Deeley Birmingham 9c 996
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Sorry to hear that Jayne, but I hope you appreciate why I posted the warning.
I would say your chances of identifying 'Bert' are not good, as you don't have any idea of birth year, or his actual forename.
Was he already married when your grandmother had his child?
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Please remove your father's DoB unless he is deceased.
Open invitation to identity thieves
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Hi, can anyone help me find my grandad - Bert Ward.
Bert had a child with my nan Patricia Violet Maxwell (Deeley) (14/10/25) who is my dad Robert John Deeley (08/09/1947)
Around that time my nan lived on Frankley Beeches Rd, Northfield Birmingham so I assume Bert wouldn't have lived too far from there. Bert played in a brass band apparently, but this is all we know of him. I don't know if his name is Bertram, Albert or Herbert. I don't know his age or date of birth but wouldn't be too much different to nans I would assume. We know he married and had child or children. I know my nan was approached by someone, one day whilst shopping in Northfield saying Bert had, had a heart attack but this was years ago. Nan would not tell us anymore about him.
I realise that Bert may have deceased by now but I would like to find my family if possible.
Your help would be greatly appreciated
Kind Regards
Jayne
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