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I'm looking for information on the family of Thomas Clarke and Ann Herron. They lived in Maryhill. Both Thomas and Ann came from Donegal. Clarke was spelt as Clark at times.
I know they has 7 children by 1911, but only 3 living.
Mary 1899-
Margaret 1901-1904
Annie 1903-1985 not married
Catherine 1905-1979 not married
Martha 1907-1907
Fanny 1909-1909
Thomas 1914-1965 Thomas married Ellen Coyle in Donegal 1950. Thomas died 2 Cowal Street Glasgow. Ellen was present at death. I don't know if they had children. I did think Helen Clarke born 1955 might have been their daughter and sent for the cert to find not so.
I am unable to find one of the deceased children before 1911. I can't find anything for Mary born 1899. I did send for a death cert for Mary McBride as her mother's maiden name was Herron. Wrong Mary.
Any help is very much appreciated.
Regards
Aspen

The family in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
264, Main Street, Glasgow, Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Clarke Head Married Male 28 1873 Rly Surfaceman Ireland
Annie Clarke Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Ireland
Mary Clarke Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Patrick McNamee Boarder Single Male 16 1885 Rly Surfaceman Ireland
Neil McGlynn Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Gen Labourer Ireland

You need the Scotland's People site to find their 1911 census and view fully. Have found these on the same reference number, by manipulating the site, but can't see more without using credits to confirm whether your family or not. Is this your family?

You need to register with the site and then you can buy credits - £7.50 for 30. Free to do below search, 6 credits would buy you a look at the full 1911 census and would say how many children born and how many still living and how many died at that point. Would that match how many you've named and believe to be dead?

You say in your OP 7 born by 1911 but have only named 6

CLARK THOMAS 1911 M 40 644/14 28/ 2 Maryhill Lanark

CLARK ANNIE 1911 F 38 644/14 28/ 2 Maryhill Lanark

CLARK MARY 1911 F 12 644/14 28/ 2 Maryhill Lanark <<<<<<<<<

CLARK ANNIE 1911 F 8 644/14 28/ 2 Maryhill Lanark

CLARK KATIE 1911 F 5 644/14 28/ 2 Maryhill Lanark

<<<<<<<<< Mary who you were missing ??

greyghost
I have all the birth certs and death certs. I have the 1911 census and it says 7 children, 3 living. Mary, Annie and Katie. I have the death certs for Margaret, Martha and Fanny. There is still a child missing. Thomas and Ann married 1897. I have checked for births from 1897. I have purchased a few certs that was not the correct ones.
I have Katie's (Catherine) birth and death cert. she did not marry.
I have Annie's birth cert and death cert, she did not marry
I have Mary's birth cert but not her death cert. I don't know if Mary did marry.
I have Thomas's birth , marriage and death certs. I don't have anything for his wife Ellen. I don't know if they had any children.

They may have counted a still birth as one of the lost children? But there would be no cert.

You have posted on the living relatives board, so if you actually wish to find living relatives use the search all member trees facility

Unfortunately Clark(e) is a very common name, and as you'll know, it's not possible to include mother's maiden surname as a search term on SP to narrow down births after 1854.

As the seventh child was not alive in a census year, there is no way to find out the child's name without buying all birth certs in Maryhill 1897-1911 - if that's where the child would have been born.
Were the other children all born in Maryhill?


Also unfortunately, although mother's maiden surname is gradually being added to Scottish death records (which will be invaluable) it hasn't yet been done for the period in question - 1897-1911.

It is difficult to find some information. At the minute, I know there are only 2 left in the Clarke family to have descendants and that is Mary born in 1899. I nave no idea if she married or when she died. Thomas born 1914, I know he did marry in 1950 and without the mother's maiden name, I cannot find children. Thomas died 1965 and if there were children, Ellen would be left to bring them up herself.

Ellen died in 1971:

CLARKE (also listed as Coyle )
ELLEN
61
1971
644/4 939
Glasgow

Is this Thomas & Ellen's marriage? - you said it was in 1950 in Donegal:

Thomas Clarke
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Thomas Clarke
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun, 1950
Registration district: Dunfanaghy, Ireland
Volume: 2
Page Number: 36
FHL Film Number: 0257850
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Clarke
Ellen Coyle


So, her birth:

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of ELLEN COYLE on 01 July 1910
Name ELLEN COYLE
Date of Birth 01 July 1910
Group Registration ID 805275
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname HARKIN

Born at Carrowcannon.
Father: Daniel Coyle, Carrowcannon, farmer.
Mother: Mary Coyle, formerly Harkin.

Mary (the mother) was the informant, and she made her mark.

The Coyle family in 1911:

Daniel Coyle
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911

Name: Daniel Coyle
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Carroweanon [ Carrowcanon ]
District: Cross Roads
County: Donegal
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Coyle 50 - farmer
Mary Coyle 48
Maggie Coyle 11
Mary Coyle 8
Daniel Coyle 5
Kate Coyle 3
Ellen Coyle 1
Ellen Harkin 87 - aunt

The whole family born in Donegal.

Daniel and Mary married for 13 years.
Seven children - but two had died.

All the family could read and write Irish and English, except for the three youngest children and Ellen Harkin.

And in 1901:

Residents of a house 25 in Carrowcannon (Cross Roads, Donegal)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Coyle Danie 35 Male Head of Family R C - farmer
Coyle Marey 30 Female Wife R C
Coyle Maggie Female Daughter R C
Mc Clafferty Mary 12 Female Servant

A possible daughter of Thomas & Ellen was born in Maryhill in 1955 - Helen.

She was the only Clarke born in Maryhill 1950-71.


She may perhaps have married James Douglas in 1979 in Maryhill.

?? With a Thomas Clarke:

Ellen Clarke
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Ellen Clarke
Residence Year: 1962
Address: 908
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow

Address: 154 Crown Street, Gorbals.

At same address at least from 1953.



Ellen Coyle
in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962
Name: Ellen Coyle
Residence Year: 1947
Address: 3088
Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Parliamentary Division: Glasgow

At 154 Crown Street, Gorbals, with Bridie Coyle and Margaret Coyle.

Margaret will be Ellen's sister, as in 1901 and 1911 censuses above.

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of MARGARET COYLE on 06 July 1900
Name MARGARET COYLE
Date of Birth 06 July 1900
Group Registration ID 32173
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname HARKIN



Bridie's birth:

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of BRIGID COYLE on 04 September 1911
Name BRIGID COYLE
Date of Birth 04 September 1911
Group Registration ID 1118569
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname HARKIN


The other sisters on the 1911 census:

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of MARY COYLE on 15 April 1903
Name MARY COYLE
Date of Birth 15 April 1903
Group Registration ID 4602066
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname HARTEIN [ Harkin on image ]


SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of CATHERINE COYLE on 01 July 1907
Name CATHERINE COYLE
Date of Birth 01 July 1907
Group Registration ID 628781
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname HARKIN


A brother, who died:

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Birth of UNKNOWN COYLE on 30 April 1902
Name UNKNOWN COYLE
Date of Birth 30 April 1902
Group Registration ID 7211178
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname HARKIN

(Daniel's name given as Denis - must be a mistake, perhaps because the father of the next child in the list was Denis, or because there was also a Denis Coyle in Dunfanaghy, who fathered several children - the registrar probably knew both Daniel and Denis well! )


SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Death of Unknown COYLE in 1902
Name Unknown COYLE
Date of Death 1902
Group Registration ID 4558331
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Deceased Age at Death 0

Date of death: 30 April 1902, at Carrowcannon, son of a farmer.
Cause of death: Exhaustion from birth.
Mother, Mary Coyle, present at birth, made her mark.

Death of Daniel:

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Death of Dan Coyle in 1931
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Name Dan Coyle
Date of Death 1931
Group Registration ID 1564571
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Deceased Age at Death 70

Death: 21 Aug 1931 at Carrowcannon, farmer.
Informant: Mary Coyle, widow.
Cause of death: old age.

Mary's death ???

SR District/Reg Area - Dunfanaghy
Death of Mary COYLE in 1954
Name Mary COYLE
Date of Death 1954
Group Registration ID 2594598
SR District/Reg Area Dunfanaghy
Deceased Age at Death 85

At Carrowcannon, 21 March 1954.
Widow.
Cause of death: old age.
Informant: Daughter, Mrs Evelyn Clarke (presumably Ellen), Carrowcannon.

Wow. A lot of info there. I have the marriage cert for Thomas and Ellen. They did marry in Dunfanaghy 1950. Ellen's father was Daniel Coyle and he mother,was Harkin.
The Helen Clarke born 1955 was not their daughter. I have the birth cert, hoping it was her, but I was wrong.
I probably will send for Ellen Clarke's death cert to see if any children was present at death.

Oh! When Thomas Clarke died in 1965, they were living in 2 Cowal Street. That was where his father and mother lived too. I would have thought that Ellen would still be there. Maybe it was rented and she move to a smaller place.

The Glasgow Electoral Rolls on Ancestry only go up to 1962, so I can't say where Ellen and Thomas were after that.

What's the wording on Thomas's death cert?
Although he died at Cowal Street, perhaps that wasn't his home address??

I will check the cert, but I'm sure 2 Cowal Street was his address in 1965. His mother died in 1952 at the same address as did his father in 1930.