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Just to let you all know that the query about my father has now been resolved. Thank you all for your help.
Mandy

Think you have it right Rose, there is a birth in 1950 reg under both of the mothers married names.

Likely death for Louisa?

Mrs Louisa Gilroy
Gender: Female
Age: 93
Birth Date: 1919
Death Date: 2 Jan 2012
Last Residence: Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, England
Postal Code District: Sr6

Hi Rose,
It did cross my mind yesterday that there was a remarriage before a divorce.

I just checked Wills and Probate, but nothing. I think this is excellent thinking on your part and a very likely answer.

Well done.

Ru

I can't seem to locate the child born in 1950.

Rose

You will see earlier I asked if you knew your father's birth date. He was registered in the first quarter of 1921 but could have been born in 1920. Do you have his birth certificate?

Unfortunately, I believe this to be his death.

Name: Kenneth Alistair Gilroy
Event Type: Death Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1991
Registration District: Sunderland
County: Durham
Event Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 29 Nov 1920
Volume: 2
Page: 1742


I think he changed his name to his mother's maiden name so he could marry in 1965, because he was still married to Margarita.

Here's my reasoning:

I was looking at Ure births in Durham and found one in 1950 also registered under another surname. The mother had clearly been married before, and looking for this marriage I found her name married was Louisa Doneathy.

Only one Louisa Doneathy shows on FreeBMD and it's for a marriage to a Kenneth A Gilroy.

Marriages Sep 1965
DONEATHY LOUISA GILROY SUNDERLAND 1A 2341
GILROY KENNETH A DONEATHY SUNDERLAND 1A 2341

There is no obvious birth for this man.

Louisa had several children with her first husband. Some of their descendants are on Facebook.

Rose

ArgyllGran

Kenneth and Margarita are Mandy's parents.
Mandy's brother was also Kenneth and lived with his mother Margarita but sadly passed away in 2009. This is not the father Kenneth Alistair or Alistair Kenneth Ure.
It is confusing, but is confirmed as this above. Hard to get heads around and our families never thought about the complications of naming offspring after their parents.

Hope this helps.
Ru

So, just to be clear -
the Kenneth who is with Margarita is your brother?
He was at the same address as already posted until 2009, which would fit.

Just to save time, have had a look at Travel, Migration etc and only one appeared to be a possible. Just to say have checked it out and used credits - no connection.


Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
First Name Alastair
Last Name Ure
Title
Age Transcribed
Departure Year 1958
Departure Month 9
Departure Day 18
Ship Name Athlone Castle
Ship Departure Port Southampton
Destination Port Cape
State
Country South Africa
Destination Place CAPE
Destination Place Country SOUTH AFRICA
Gender Male
Marital Status M
Occupation C S
Birth Year 1920
Birth Month 7
Birth Day 29
Country Of Birth
Last Residence Country
UK Address
Ship Official Number
Ship Master's First Name ?
Ship Master's Surname ?
Ship Master's Title
Shipping line
Departure Port SOUTHAMPTON
Ship Destination Port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship Destination Country SOUTH AFRICA
Ship Square Feet
Ship Registered Tonnage
Number Of Passengers 0
Category Travel & migration
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Collections from Great Britain, England

It may have been possible and/if the abandonment time fitted. He was travelling with wife and daughter and no connection.
Ru

We have now eliminated Philippa Swainson and confirmed the father and son had the first name of Kenneth.

So who did Alistair (Alastair) Kenneth or Kenneth Alistair (Alastair) marry in 1966 or after 1972. Will keep looking.

A challenge eh!
Ru

Hi everyone
Just to make it clear. I have already researched the marriage of Phillipa Swainson and it is not the same Kenneth Ure. The birth date is not the same and the parents on the marriage certificate are not his. The Kenneth Alastair born 1940 was my brother who died in 2009. In those days the son was often called after the father. My father's date of birth is 1921. I will also check with ancestry.
Thanks for your help
Mandy

could that marriage be the son

Philippa is listed in the tree of Carol on this site.

ErikaH
I have been looking too for Philippa in both her maiden and married name and not been able to locate.
It is strange there is no record, but there may be an easy answer - want to locate it now I have a bit between the teeth.
Ru

This is the marriage to which the poster refers

Marriages Jun 1966 (>99%)

SWAINSON PHILIPPA URE WHARFEDALE 2D 1267
URE KENNETH SWAINSON WHARFEDALE 2D 1267

The bride would have been 20 years younger than the groom, if he's the right man.

As the post was dated 2011, one would have thought that this marriage would have been checked out by now

There is no record on FMP of anyone named Philippa Ure

Thanks ErikaH - how sensible - I just did not think of that.

I find the father and son get in the way of direct connection for the thread holder.
Ru

As there are no replies on the other thread, it's worth copying what it says


I am trying to trace my father Kenneth Alistair Ure who was born in 1921 in Houghton Le Spring County Durham.
He left my mother and their family in 1948 and after divorcing my mother in 1962, eventually remarried a Philippa Swainson in 1966 in Wharfedale.I have not seen or heard from him since I was two years old. He would be about 90 years old and may be dead ,although he does not show up on any of the search records. Can any one help? Time is running out!
He may be known as Alistair Kenneth Ure.

Mandy what trade was your father in - did he have a profession?

Ru

Mandy,

In this older thread you said he divorced in 1962 and married a Philippa in 1966.
Is this not correct?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1270215

Rose

Hello Mandy,
Welcome 'back'. This is really helpful.
Can you just confirm the above Electoral Roll register, which states 2002 Kenneth Ure is living with Margarita - Son or father??

This would really help elimination.

Will keep looking in view of the above information.
Ru