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Hi
Looking to find the mother of a Eliza Nicholes born 1827 in Thornton Ardleigh Millsham Suffolk her father was a Samuel Nicholes
Charles Holdaway my 3rd grandfather I think may have come from Essex ?

Eliza Nichols
Event Type Census
Event Date 1851
Event Place Ardleigh, Essex, England
Registration District Tendering
Residence Note Ipswich Road
Gender Female
Age 24
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Tailoress
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1827
Birthplace Willisham, Suffolk
Page Number 1
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1780 / 417
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
Samuel Nichols Head M 62 Ofton, Suffolk
Maria Nichols Wife F 57 Finsbrough Lt, Suffolk
Caroline Nichols Daughter F 30 Willisham, Suffolk
Eliza Nichols Daughter F 24 Willisham, Suffolk
Ellen Nichols Daughter F 16 Ardleigh, Essex
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch


Samuel
Last name Nichols
Name note -
Marriage year 1814
Marriage date 15 Feb 1814
Marriage place Offton cum Bricett Parva
Spouse's first name(s) Maria
Spouse's last name Bumstead
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Maria Bumpstead
Residence Place England
Gender Female
Christening Date 01 Feb 1795
Christening Date (Original) 1 Feb 1795
Christening Place Finborough Parva, England
Birth Date 19 Dec 1794
Father's Name Francis Bumpstead
Mother's Name Mary Drake
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"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch

Francis Bumstead

England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:
14 November 1784
Rattlesdon, Suffolk, England
spouse:
Mary Drake

when did they marry /???

According to a tree on ancestry Eliza married John Bird (c1830) 25 May 1853 at St Mary the virgin, Ardleigh. So what is the connection to Charles, and when was he born?

Many many thanks been searching for more on Eliza for ages.
Val

Charles Holdaway was the father of Amy Darrell Holdaway who married my 2G/F Oliver Cromwell Bird ( I have a photo of their wedding,) but can't find anything on Charles, on Amy & Oliver's marriage cert 1876, it shows Charles as Deceased complete blank on her parents as for Charle's age. Amy was 24 when she married so looks like she was born in 1852.Oliver's parents was John Bird & Eliza Nicholos
sorry it gets a bit muddled
Val

a tree on ancestry has her born in 1853 in asmondsworth hampshire but no supporting evidence
father

Charles Holdaway
1819–1887
Birth 1819 • Ashmansworth, Hampshire, England
Death 1887 • Kingsclere District

BUT his is stiil aliuve at time of marriage, he was a parish clerk ang his wife a teacher

amy does not appear in 1861 census with them
children to that family - mother maiden name cummins
can't see anything on gro for amy or any baptism for her

Looking at the marriage certificate on ancestry, it looks like her name was Amy Doyrell Holdaway rather than Darrell.

1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses all say she was born in Ashmansworth, Hampshire.

Oliver died and was buried on 1/6/1894 aged 38 Amy went on to married a George Crittle in 1895, he died 1934 age 84. Amy died 1928 Malling Kent age 76 They lived in Ightham Kent , sadly 2 of Amy & Oliver's son's died William died in the explosion when the ship Princess Irene blow up in Sheerness harbour on 27.May 1915 aged 27
Samuel died 25 Aug 1916 at the Somme France
Sad reading
:-(

Val

The tree Maddie refers to is not substantiated & I don't believe it to be the right family. Like Maddie says that Charles was still alive when Amy married, and she didn't appear with the family on any census. I think the tree owner has assumed her parentage because of the place of birth from the census.

I've tried to look for births for Amy, under the names of Doyrell/Darrell or Holdaway using pheonetic searches, but nothing coming up. Maybe she was illegitimate and her mother married a Hold(a)way and Amy assumed that name?