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Yes, that is correct. Surprisingly there were 4 births in Sheffield with her name, between 1936-1938.

Sending by PM her address as of late summer 2017. That roughly when the data for the 2018 was collected.

As the Thornhill daughter is likely to be living, I will send her baptism details by PM

Bruce, on an unrelated thread, another member has just pointed out that the 1939 Register is now on Ancestry.

Go to the card catalogue, make sure you have ticked or have default 'records for England & Wales'. The title is the first on my .co.uk list, 1939 England and Wales Register

Name: Joseph W Dalton
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1918
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Ethel Ward
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 832

1939
Dalton Household (3 People)
34 Parkwood Road , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Bernard Dalton 06 Jun 1929 Male At School Single 230 3
Ethel Dalton 31 Mar 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 230 1
Evelyn A Gunn (Dalton) 08 Oct 1918 Female Brewery Bottler Heavy Works Single 230 2


The 1939 record for Evelyn shows that she married Gunn

Marriages Mar 1942 (>99%)
Dalton Evelyn A Gunn Sheffield 9c 1090
Gunn Leslie Dalton Sheffield 9c 1090

Bernard died in December 1998 in Sheffield

First name(s) EVELYN ALICE
Last name GUNN
Gender Female
Birth day 8
Birth month 10
Birth year 1918
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1993
District Sheffield
District number 0481A
Register number A53A
Entry number 079
Date of registration mm/yy 1293
County Yorkshire

This 1939 Register record is still a mystery to me.....

Ward Household (5 People)
28 Lambert Street , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England


Charles Dalton 10 Jan 1883 Male Colliery Hewer Single 133 2
Amelia Ward 03 Oct 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Mill Hand Retired Married 133 1
Irene Noonan (Thornhill,Ward) 01 Jul 1923 Female Mirror Polisher Single 133 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Lillian (G) Brady (Dalton) 13 Feb 1935 Female Under School Age Single 133 5

To the best of my knowledge Charles Dalton never married but it seems odd that he would live with Fred Ward who was 18 years younger. It may have been what happened but I would see him living with his other siblings before his half brother, Fred.
The other mystery is Lillian Dalton. I wonder who her parents may be. I can't find a birth record on FreeBmd.

He would have had to live with whoever could - and would - accommodate him.

I should have explained - Charles lived with many Families over the years. He lived with his sister, Lillian's brother in law. The last address I had before 1939 Charles was living with his sister, Lillian (Gertrude Lillian Pearson) in 1919. In 1939 I believe Lillian was a widow but I cannot find her 1939 Register record unless she may have provided an incorrect birth date.
It is assumed that the redacted record is for Fred Ward, but he was born in 1901 and so I wonder why that record would be redacted. Btw, I believe that Fred was born Fred Dalton. I found a birth record for Fred Dalton born to mothers maiden name=Ash, but never found a birth record for Fred Ward. I believe that Fred's name was changed after his birth without any formality when Alice Dalton started living with William Ward (no record of any marriage ever for Alice).
The other mystery in the 1939 Register record is Lillian Dalton which seems to have a G marked after Lilian, and I assume may be for middle name Gertrude, named after Gertrude Lillian Pearson who was the person everyone leaned on during difficult times. I can't find a birth record for Lillian Dalton in 1935 that would indicate mother's maiden name, a clue that may explain the redacted record?
So I am wondering if the redacted record in 1939 Register is not Fred Ward, but someone else who could possibly be still living. Perhaps another Dalton child?

Any thoughts?

Bruce

Fred could have enlisted, in which case he would not be recorded, as 1939 was a register of civilians

1939

Pearson Household (6 People)
65 Daisy Walk , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England


Gertrude L Pearson 22 Nov 1879 Female Unpaid D Duties Widowed 1 1
George H Pearson 05 Jul 1905 Male Spiral Spring Maker Married 1 2
Ada Pearson 09 May 1909 Female Ferruler - Wood Tu? Single 1 3
Ethel Bagshaw (Pearson) 07 Jul 1913 Female Ferruler - Wood Tu? Single 1 4
Stanley Pearson 18 Jan 1919 Male Bau?ter Leu?ry T Single 1 5
Edith S Buchell 13 Apr 1912 Female Spoon & Pork Packer Cuttery Wareho Married 1 6

Thank you, Erica!

I would not have thought of the Register missing enlisted soldiers. Thank you.

On FreeBMD I just found Gertrude L Dalton born in March 1937, mother's maiden name is Fox. I am wondering if this may be Lillian Dalton listed in 1939 Register with Amelia Fox. Aunt Gertrude Lillian always went by Lillian. I also wonder if this is Fred Ward's daughter and it also acknowledges he was born Fred Dalton.

Thoughts?

Regards
Bruce

Further to my last post, I searched births for Dalton surname and Fox maiden name between 1935-1944 on FreeBMD and discovered the following:

Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Dalton Gertrude L Fox Sheffield 9c 573


Gertrude L (Lillian) shows up on the 1939 Register as Lillian, however birth date is incorrect..

I was wondering why Lillian wasn't a Ward as was Isabella Irenw and so I searched to find all Wards with Fox maiden name and this is what I found (also on FreeBMD):


Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Ward Gertrude L Fox Sheffield 9c 573

The reference numbers for both sets of records are the same, however, there are two sets of records for each of these children.

The 1939 Register has Lillian listed as a Dalton but Isabella Iirene is a Ward, it appears that both children's parents were Fred Ward and Amelia Fox.

Have you ever seen anything like this before?

Regards
Bruce

Just reiterating the fact that may explain these dual entries. I am pretty sure Fred Ward was born Fred Dalton and his name was later changed to Fred Ward, I believe when his mother, Alice, changed her name to Alice Ward to take the name of William Ward, who she lived with during this point in time.

Bruce

Bruce, do be careful with the records you are now posting as some of the people are probably still living. Once Erica had acknowledged she’s seen the later ones, perhaps you could remove them?

A little trick with Freebmd. Let’s take
Gertrude L as she has already died

Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Ward Gertrude L Fox Sheffield 9c 573

Go back to the Freebmd entry & click on the page number 573. The results will show all the names listed on the same page. Removing unrelated ones & you are left with

Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Dalton Gertrude L Fox Sheffield 9c 573
Ward Gertrude L Fox Sheffield 9c 573

The register records all of the surnames recorded on the certificate. The only constant in this case is the maiden name of FOX.

TBH, I’ve lost track of the family dynamics. It could be that her father is shown as a Ward also known as Dalton, or it could be her mother is Ward, previously Dalton/Dalton previously Ward mmn Fox.

This type of double entry is more common where the parents aren’t married to each other eg
Christopher is the son of James Black & Sylvia Green mmn White. Sylvia is still married to Mr Green. Christopher’s birth entry would show as
Black, Christopher mmn White
Green, Christopher mmn White.

If Sylvia had never married anyone, the entry would show as
Black, Christopher mmn White
White , Christopher mmn White.

An English or Welsh BC does not assign a surname to the child. They can take or use what ever they like as long as it’s not for illegal purposes. The column where the child’s forename is written does not ask for a surname.

+++DetEcTive+++ , the couple were married in 1923. Erica confirmed this.

Is it possible that the dual entries are due to the fact that Fred Ward's BC reads Fred Dalton? It seems odd that Lillian would be named Lillian Dalton on the 1939 Register when her older sister is named Isabel Irene Ward.

As I try to track the family members with Dalton and Ward records I am confused if they will turn up as Dalton's or Ward's.

I will remove the names once Erica sees the thread. Thank you for your help.

Regards
Bruce

In that case the father would have been named as Fred Ward aka Dalton (or the other way round!)

I have seen the posts


EriKa

1911 for two of the people living with Gertrude in 1939

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
65 Daisy Walk Sheffield, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Herbert Pearson Head Married Male 34 1877 Yorkshire Sheffield St Phillips Steel Laborour Transcription
Lily Pearson Wife Married Female 32 1879 Yorkshire Sheffield Norton - Transcription
Frank Pearson Son - Male 12 1899 Yorkshire Sheffield St Judes School Transcription
Beatrice Pearson Daughter - Female 8 1903 Yorkshire Sheffield St Judes - Transcription
George Herbert Pearson Son - Male 5 1906 Yorkshire Sheffield St Judes - Transcription
Lilian Pearson Daughter - Female 3 1908 Yorkshire Sheffield St Judes - Transcription
Ada Pearson Daughter - Female 1 1910 Yorkshire Sheffield St Judes - Transcription
Ada MacKie Visitor Married Female 27 1884 Yorkshire Sheffield St Phillips - Transcription
Nelly MacKie Visitor - Female 5 1906 Aldershot - Transcription
Daisy MacKie Visitor - Female 4 1907 Aldershot - Transcription
Katholine MacKie Visitor - Female 2 1909 Egypt

Births of the older ones ffrom 1939


Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Pearson Ethel Dalton Sheffield 9c 1126

Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Pearson Stanley Sykes Sheffield 9c 956

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Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)

MACKIE George Sheffield 9c 558
Pearson Ada Sheffield 9c 558

Ottawa Newspaper cutting on a tree on ancestry say's 3 brothers died in the war