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James Hancox bn 1885 Poss Hednesford or Dudley

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 23:51

???

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Price Horace G Hall Headington 3a 1622


Horace George Price in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Horace George Price
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1924
Registration Date: Mar 2007
Registration district: Chiltern
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: 1D001
District and Subdistrict: 327/1D


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UK electoral registers 2002-2014 Transcription
First name(s) Horace G
Last name Price
Age guide
Address 224, Hatters Lane, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, HP13 7LU
Town High Wycombe
District High Wycombe
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Year 2002-03
Electoral rolls 2002, 2003
Occupancy (years) 3
Record set Uk Electoral Registers 2002-2014
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Great Britain, England


High Wycombe is an English town northwest of London. It's in the rolling countryside of the Chiltern Hills

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 23:24

Phyllis Beryl Price in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Phyllis Beryl Price
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: 11 Oct 1924
Registration Date: Jun 1988
Registration district: Wycombe
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 19
Page: 1308


PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 20:59

Hi Carol

The 1939 Register has Phyllis B Hancox ...single.......but it indicates that she later married a Mr Wall and then a Mr Price.

Which as you say, she did.... in 1941.........

Marriages Mar 1941 (>99%)
Hancox Phyllis B Wall Carmarthen 11a 2485
Wall Arthur B Hancox Carmarthen 11a 2485

And.......

Marriages Dec 1948 (>99%)
Hancox Phyllis B Price Amersham 6a 585
Price Horace G Wall Amersham 6a 585
Price Horace G Hancox Amersham 6a 585
Wall Phyllis B Price Amersham 6a 585

A Horace G Price though and not James Price.

Carol

Carol Report 30 Apr 2018 20:33

PricklyHolly - thank you - yes this is the family. They were living in Tower House on the Glanbrydan estate and Matthew (born 7 June 1887) was the groundsman. That's very valuable information. I know that Phyllis (known as Beryl) migrated to Bucks during the war and she wrote home to her sisters telling them about the wonderful social life in the bright lights of Bucks. Her two younger sisters also migrated and all three worked in an armaments factory (Rotax) where all three sisters met their husbands. It's the information about Phyllis which interests me and the presence of Arthur Wall. Phyllis is listed as single nee Hancox was Wall. Yes she married Arthur B Wall (her mother's half brother) but in 1941, the marriage failed and she remarried 'James' Price but in 1948! I don't subscribe to FindMyPast so don't have access to the 1939 register - can it be altered online? Beryl was 15 in 1939 but married in Carmarthen in 1941 to this Arthur Wall who was living with the family in 1939. Why is she listed as Price when she didn't remarry (in Bucks) until 1848 and she met James Price at Rotax.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 19:07

Matthew Hancox
BIRTH 1887
DEATH 26 Nov 1979 (aged 91–92)
BURIAL
Chilterns Crematorium
Amersham, Chiltern District, Buckinghamshire, England
MEMORIAL ID 155405686 ·

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/155405686


Wife Ellen

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Name: Ellen Hancox
Death Age: 94
Birth Date: 18 Jan 1900
Registration Date: Jan 1994
Registration district: Llanelli
Inferred County: Dyfed
Register Number: A12E
District and Subdistrict: 8201A

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 18:53

Is this your Matthew on the 1939 Register...

???

Mathew Hancox on the 1939 Register

Hancox Household (8 People)
Glanbrydan Lodge , Llandeilo R.D., Carmarthenshire, Wales

Mathew Hancox 01 May 1892 Male General Labourer Heavy W Married 53 1
Helen Hancox 18 Jan 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 53 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Phyllis B Price (Hancox,Wall) 11 Oct 1924 Female Domestic Duties Single 53 4
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Eric A R Hancox 12 Apr 1936 Male Under School Age Single 53 7
Arthur S Wall 29 Jan 1910 Male Pawn Brokers Assist Single 53 8

If it is, it's rather odd that it has his YOB as 1892!

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
Bryant Nellie Hancox Llandilofawr 11a 2434
HANCOX Matthew Bryant Llandilofawr 11a 2434


MMN for Phyllis and Eric is Bryant.

Surname of the first child mis-transcribed

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Hanncox Eleanor M V Bryant Llandilofawr 11a 2301

Carol

Carol Report 30 Apr 2018 17:43

Many thanks for all your contributions - I have copies of Matthew (1887) and Selina's (1891) birth certificates and yes Matthew snr is given as father on both - (deceased) on Selina's which is borne out by the 1891 census return where their mother Elizabeth is listed as widow. Matthew's occupation is given as plate layer on both certificates. I hadn't found Selina's baptism on 04/03/1891 at St John Tipton - so thank you EricaH for finding that. She died 3rd Q 1892 aged 1 Stourbridge - I don't have this certificate but will get it from GRO. This registration district seems to indicate that the family had moved out of the workhouse when she died.

Matthew jnr (1887) was my husband's maternal grandfather and yes he died in Bucks in 1979. His history is interesting - family lore has it that Matthew and his brother James fought regularly and one day during one of their fights a knife was involved and Matthew lost the sight in one eye. Boys will be boys. Family lore also has it that Matthew didn't get on with his step father Edward Green and he was admitted to Gem Street Industrial School where he can be found on the 1901 census whilst his mother, step father and brother James were living in Tower Street, Dudley.

For those of you who may not have come across Industrial Schools before - they were not places of punishment but an opportunity for 'troubled' youngsters to learn a trade - the school even found employment and arranged transport to that employment but it seems young Matthew jumped the gun and ran away! Family lore has it that he walked the railway lines and found himself in Llandeilo, Wales.

He met his wife Ellen (known as Nellie) who was in service in the area and they married in 1922 in Llandeilo. To cut a very long story short, he worked for many years as groundsman at Glanbrydan Park and they had 5 children - my late mother-in-law was their middle child. Matthew was well into his 70's when he eventually retired - meanwhile 3 of their daughters had migrated to the bright lights of Bucks and Matthew and Nellie retired to Bucks to be close to their family.

I can't find any record of Matthew snr's death - neither can I find a marriage for him and Elizabeth - Elizabeth was born in Ashby-de-la-Zouche, Leics and I live fairly close to Leicester Record Office so will take a drive up there soon - maybe the parish registers will yield some results.

Meanwhile if anyone has any more leads on my brick wall I'd love to hear from you!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 12:25

That one is too late, malyon, and wrong MMN

HANCOX, JAMES HENRY GWYNN Order
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 124

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

malyon

malyon Report 30 Apr 2018 12:25

James Henry Hancox
United Kingdom, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: James Henry Hancox
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year: 1914
Residence Place: Dudley, ,
Age: 28
Military Company/Regiment: Worcestershire Regiment
Military Regiment: 200943
Military Battalion: 1/7th Battalion
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 12:23

Name Matthew Hancox
Residence Place Dudley, Worcester, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 13 Jun 1887
Christening Date (Original) 13 Jun 1887
Christening Place St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Birth Date 02 Jun 1887
Father's Name Matthew Hancox
Mother's Name Elizabeth Hancox


Name Selina Hancock
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 04 Mar 1891
Event Place Tipton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Parish St John
Father's Name Matthew Hancock
Mother's Name Elizabeth Hancock

malyon

malyon Report 30 Apr 2018 12:21

James Henry Hancox
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008
Name: James Henry Hancox
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1886
Registration District: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Event Place: Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Volume: 6C
Page: 124
Line Number: 123

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 12:04

First name(s) Matthew
Last name Hancox
Relationship Inmate
Marital status -
Sex Male
Age 14
Birth year 1887
Birth town Dudley
Birth town as transcribed DUDLEY
Birth place England
Birth county as transcribed WORCESTERSHIRE
Occupation School Boy -
Parish Birmingham
Country England
County Warwickshire
Municipal ward St Mary
Registration district Birmingham

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 12:01

Deaths Dec 1979 (>99%)
HANCOX MATTHEW 7JE1887 CHILTERN/B 19 1084

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 11:41

For info - with a more realistic birth year for Elizabeth

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court House, 1, Tower Street, Dudley, Dudley (Worcs), Worcestershire & Staffordshire, England

Edward Green Head Married Male 36 1865 Worcestershire, England General Labourer Transcription
Elizabeth Green Wife Married Female 46 1855 Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire, England - Transcription
James Hancox Wife Son Single Male 16 1885 Hednesford, Staffordshire, England Glass Cutter

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 11:32

HANCOX, SELINA MOORE Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 81

HANCOX, MATTHEW MOORE Order
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 89

Can't see a birth for James, nor a marriage for the parents

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Apr 2018 11:26

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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Apr 2018 11:16

That is not the correct Matthew Malyon

That Matthew died the year he was born...

Matthew Hancox in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Matthew Hancox
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 397


Matthew Hancox in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Matthew Hancox
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 270


Name: Matthew Hancox
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 28 Aug 1857
Burial Place: Coventry, Warwick, England
FHL Film Number: 1067462
Reference ID: 194

malyon

malyon Report 30 Apr 2018 10:50

spelt hancock in familysearch

Matthew Hancock
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Matthew Hancock
Residence Place: Coventry, Warwick, England
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Feb 1857
Christening Date (Original): 22 Feb 1857
Christening Place: St. Peter's, Coventry, Warwick, England
Father's Name: Henry Hancock
Mother's Name: Lydia

malyon

malyon Report 30 Apr 2018 10:42

not seeing a marriage for matthew and elizabeth and not finding a death for matthew

this is the only birth for a matthew hancox i can find

Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
Hancox Matthew Coventry 6d 397

malyon

malyon Report 30 Apr 2018 10:29

Matthew Hancock
mentioned in the record of Selina Hancock
Name: Matthew Hancock
Sex: Male
Wife: Elizabeth Hancock
Child: Selina Hancock
Other information in the record of Selina Hancock
from England, Staffordshire, Church Records

Name: Selina Hancock
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Mar 1891
Event Place: Tipton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Parish: St John
Father's Name: Matthew Hancock
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Hancock