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Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1936
Bert Harrison Dorman
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Bert Dorman

this is so weird as the previuos posts suggest he emigrated from America which is what I was led to believe from my grandmother...however this census says 1901 bot the ship record of him emigrating from America says 1908 ???

State New York
First name(s) Bert A
Last name Dorman
Gender Male
Age 45
Birth year 1863
Marital status S
Occupation GENT
Departure year 1908
Departure day 10
Departure month 9
Departure port Queenstown (Ireland)
Destination port New York
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name Oceanic
Ship official number 110596
Ship master's first name H J
Ship master's last name HADDOCK
Shipping line WHITE STAR
City QUEENSTOWN
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 12863
Ship registered tonnage 6916
Number of passengers 200

Going TO the USA

Name Bert A. Dorman
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 11 Jan 1886
Event Place Richland, Ohio, United States
Spouse's Name Florence Taylor

I think he went back and forth quite a lot, going from dates on the US newspapers and English ones,

Illustrated Police Budget 04 March 1899

re a boxing match in Glasgow , so if same Bert Dorman puts him in UK in 1899 ( edit and before that)

".... the Palace, and just before two o’clock Dobbs appeared on the scene, accompanied by Messrs. John B. Barnes, N. E. Barnes, Bert Dorman, Willie Dobbs, and J. Isaacs, ....."


George JOHNSON’S BENEFIT.
of Spitalfields, box Lew ten or twenty rounds, for from a side upwards, if any club will (Honolulu). Jimmy Achen, and Bert A. Dorman wish to return thanks to Mr. Kit Barrass. Mick Hales, Will Curley, Professor Lowry. Professor Bridges. Tom Courtney, Mick
15 April 1898 - Sporting Life - London, London, England

CROWTH ER-WALLACE FIGHT. I -I
FIGHT. Victor and Defeated Challenged. The Sportsman this morning says d'flt a tele- gram was received yesterday from Mr Bert Dorman, the backer of Larry Burns, of America, offering to back the latter against Wallace Crowther at 8t. 10!b. for £ 150 a side
31 March 1897 - South Wales Echo - Cardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales

Needs verifying

Bert Dorman
United States Census, 1900
Name Bert Dorman
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Kinsman Township, Trumbull, Ohio, United States
Gender Male
Age 37
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Years Married 1
Birth Date Apr 1863
Birthplace Ohio
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1899
Father's Birthplace New York
Mother's Birthplace Ohio
Bert Dorman Head M 37 Ohio
Sarah Dorman Wife F 30 Ohio
Emily Dorman Mother F 71 Ohio
Sarah Niece Aunt F 81 New York
Emily Dorman Daughter F 1 Ohio
Seth Dorman Nephew M 18 New York



Name Sarah Dorman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place San Diego Ward 2, San Diego, California, United States
Gender Female
Age 41
Marital Status Widowed
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Birthplace Ohio
Father's Birthplace Ohio
Mother's Birthplace Ohio
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 24

Here suggests he is based in Boston?

"... . Caasor is very confident of success. PATSEY HALEY (BUFFALO) TO CORPIELD. PADDY MAHONEY, AND CURLEY (NEWCASTLE). Mr. Bert A. Dorman, of Boston (U.S.A.), called oar Office yesterday and deposited £25 match Patsey Haley, of Buffalo (U.S.A.), to box either "

18 September 1897 - Sporting Life - London, London, England

Possible birth for Daisy?
Mar 1887
PRICE Daisy Stafford 6b 5

Staffordshire baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Daisy
Last name Price
Birth year 1886
Birth date 29 Dec 1886
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 06 Apr 1887
Baptism place Stafford, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Emma
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3387/3
Page 169
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

EDIT a couple of people may have this Daisy on their tree, so may be worth sending a message if only to eliminate?

I wonder if Daisy went back to Dudley? Just speculation though

First name(s) DAISY
Last name PRICE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1916
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAISY PRICE married
William Price
Spouse's last name Price
District Dudley
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Volume as transcribed 6B
Page number 1579
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Thank you but the Daisy that was my great grandma was already Daisy Price when my gran was born in 1912

Yes she should have been Dorman as on the birth certs for the children, BUT there is no sign of a marriage to Bert. so if she left she would possibly use the name Price? There seems to be no other record for her as Daisy Dorman?

Did Frances travel to Canada I wonder?

British & Irish Roots Collection Transcription

First name(s) Frances
Last name Dorman
Sex Female
Age 17
Birth year 1913
Birth place Connecticut
Nationality White
Origin country Canada
Year 1930
Destination country United States
Town Farmington
County Hartford
State Connecticut
Father's birth place Connecticut
Source dataset Us Census 1930
View original source record View the record's source
Record set British & Irish Roots Collection
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Migration
Collections from Americas, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Hi
No France's was my grandma...she didn't go to Canada....her mum Daisy Price left her and her 2 brothers when they were very young...she moved in with the local tattooist and had another baby but had no contact with my gran and her brothers...my gran was sent away not long after and she had a terrible life...she also never saw her brothers again :-( I just wanted to find any living relatives of her brothers to see if they knew she existed

Ok just wondered if Frances had visited, not actually emigrated.

So the only possibility left then is to try and trace what happened to Bert Harrison Dorman in Canada.

Yes I think that's the only option....also that France's dorman was born in Connecticut and my gran was born in the uk

Yes sorry i didn't notice the birthplace on that Frances .

Daisy’s maiden name was Price, according to the birth registrations of her children

Therefore, if she married at any stage, that should have been the name she used

The marriage in 1916 posted above was of a Daisy PRICE and in the area where she was allegedly born, so could be worth investigating.

John's wife's death

Name: Isabella Dorman
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 4 May 1909
Registration Date: May 1994
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: C28D
District and Subdistrict: 2261C

Thus making this her birth

Name: Isabella Lillie
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1032

And 1911 census

Name: Isabella Lillie
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hebburn, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hebburn
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 22 Thistle St Hebburn On Tyne
Registration district: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 30385
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lillie 30
Mary Lillie 30
Alice Lillie 4
Isabella Lillie 1

??

Name: Alice E Lillie
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Albert E Porteous
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 673

Name: Albert Edward Porteous
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1908
Registration Date: Jan 1991
Registration district: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2634


1939
Porteous Household (4 People)
29 Mall Road , Hammersmith, London, England

Alice Porteous 29 Jan 1908 Female Housewiffe Married 89 1
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Name: Alice Elizabeth Porteous
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1907
Registration Date: Dec 1982
Registration district: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2298

Name: Alice Elizabeth Lillie
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 974

In 1954 and 1956, John & Isabella had living with them at 31 Mall Road, Hammersmith, a James Gordon Dorman


Name: Mr James Gordon Dorman
Gender: Male
Age: 79
Birth Date: 1934
Death Date: 28 Mar 2013
Residence Place at Death: Leigh-On-Sea, Essex, England
Postal Code District: Ss9

So................. he was Isabella's son before her marriage

Births Jun 1933 (>99%)
LILLIE James G Lillie Hackney 1b 492