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Yes, Lainey, that's the death record I posted on page 2

Name: Anthony Boardman
Death Age: 65
> Birth Date: 18/10/1931
Registration Date: Nov1996
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Register Number: B58G
District and Subdistrict: 3351B
Entry Number: 201

The DOB is actually slightly off from the 1939 which says December, but I tend not to take that as too significant.


There is no Sheila Meag(h)er birth to fit, but I think you will score a hit with the Fry birth cert.

Hello Rose,

Thank you for all your help. Michael Fry's SIL states that he is was born in Whitechapel but he has been unable to find his birth record. So I think you may have cracked it with your suggestion. I will purchase the Birth cert asap.

This also makes me wonder if Sheila may have been recorded using the name Meagher/Meager. I wait with baited breath to hear back from Manchester RO. I know there seems to be no birth record for her as a Boardman, although she was known as a Boardman later. I will look into the Boardman/Walker link in Orpington.

Thank you :-)

How did you hear Michael was born in Whitechapel? Stepney district cover that area so that birth seems a likely possibility.

Were you able to find the birth of Sheila's son? He is listed in 2 trees on here: 1 in Grove Park and the other in Orpington.

Rose

Thank you. I will purchase that certificate and also the Boardman/Aherne marriage next.

I am still waiting to hear back from Manchester RO regarding the Sheila M Fry birth Cert.

I think I have just found the death cert for Antony Boardman in Peterborough in Nov 1996. As the birth record shows the exact DOB.

My husband had no idea that his dad Harry had this brother.

Thanks again,

Lainey

Lainey, just treat her as if she is many different people. It's your tree, you can do what you like with it. :-)

I have people in my tree who changed their names, and I just enter them under each name. So their parents have twice as many children as they really had, and so on.

But for tracing down from them, I would pick one name -- so that all of John & Madge's children are shown as the children of, for example, John Boardman and Margery Murphy.

Since she won't have any ancestors attached to her, I think that if you do ever figure out what her real name was, you could just change the name on the record you have selected to attach her children to.


So the 1930 birth -- !! Seems to say the father was Meager and Madge was born Fry ... but who knows ...

And now not just another surname, but another way of spelling it.

Hello Rose, Thank you. That has to be the Half brother as I now have been made aware he was born in Whitechapel 1930.

I will pursue this line too.

Joonie, I am totally confused. How on earth do I name her on my family tree? Meagher, Murphy, Fry, Boardman, what on earth was this woman up to?

I too am confused as to why they were both in the salvation Army Maternity home. What's that all about?

Two people appear to have the son in their trees. Might be worth contacting them.

Rose

There's a Sheila M Boardman who marries a Walker in Bromley district in 1956. There is a birth for a boy in the neighbouring district in 1965.

Rose

Throwing this into the mix:

Births Dec 1930
Meager Michael G Fry Stepney 1c 190

Can't see any sign of him later.

Rose

Can there really have been another John Boardman + Madge couple?! :-D

Occupation plumber certainly matches. So gotta be the right John. Did he pick up a different Madge along the way? My gut says no.

He travelled for work during hard times in the early 30s? And Madgea resident there as an 'unwed mother' at the time of the birth. They had met elsewhere, and she went to the maternity home where he worked when she got pregnant? ??

Still no sign of her origin ...

I wonder whether 'Madge' was a nickname that she 'back-formed' to Margery/Marjorie, but her name was actually something else altogether ...

Antony Boardmans birth certificate has arrived. Born 18 October 1931 at The Municipal Maternity home(Salvation Army) Sculcoates Kingston Upon Hull. Father JDB. Mother Madge Boardman formerly Meagher. Fathers occupation House Plumber of Salvation Army home. Chapel Lane Hull. Mothers address Salvation Army Ho e Chapel Lane Hull.

So would everyone think this is the same Mother? As Harry and Reginald.? Cannot believe she has yet another surname.

Hello Joonie,

I have ordered the birth cert for Sheila M Fry born Manchester 1933, and await it's arrival. Damn those Easter Holidays ;-)

Thank you for the additional information. I have ordered the Anthony Boardman Birth Cert from GRO. I am going to order the Anthony Boardman/Aherne marriage cert in the hope it will shed more light.

I will keep this post updated as soon as I receive the Certs.

Thank you.

There is no marriage to match this birth

Births Dec 1931
Boardman Antony mother Meagher Sculcoates 9d 253

and there are no other births with those surnames


Marriages Jun 1963
AHERNE MAY BOARDMAN WESTMINSTER 5C 715
BOARDMAN ANTONY AHERNE *WESTMINSTER* 5C 715

no births with those surnames but given his age, it could have been the spouse's second marriage


Name: May Boardman ? NO
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: 16 May 1931
Registration Date: Jul 1994
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Register Number: A50A
District and Subdistrict: 0182A

NO, she was Barton (1939 with that DOB) and married Edward Boardman


There is a Boardman birth in Westminster in the 1960s with no obvious matching marriage.

The child had the very poor judgment to marry someone named Smith ...

Unfortunately, there were 22 Boardman-Smith marriages 1985-2005, so identifying births is problematic.


Could someone have mixed up Anthony's birthdate either in 1939 or when he died?

Name: Anthony Boardman
Death Age: 65
> Birth Date: 18/10/1931
Registration Date: Nov1996
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Register Number: B58G
District and Subdistrict: 3351B
Entry Number: 201

There is no other matching birth.

But Lainey, the info about John Colston Fry is not correct.

He was 21 when he died in 1941.

He did not have a child in 1930!!


Ah, you have edited your post above to say that :-)

Name: Michael Fry
Death Age: 59
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1930
Registration Date: Apr 1990
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 946


These are the people named Anthony who are deceased who were born on 18 Dec 1931

Anthony Grenville Baker 18 Dec 1931 Jan 1987 St Austell Cornwall
- birth reg Bridgwater Mar Q 1932
Anthony John Bentley 18 Dec 1931 Dec 1996 Aylesbury Vale Buckinghamshire
- no birth registration
Derek Anthony Brown 18 Dec 1931 Aug 2000 Salford Greater Manchester
- birth reg Barton I Dec Q 1931
Anthony Charles Grimes 18 Dec 1931 Jul 1987 Greenwich Greater London
- birth reg Finsbury Dec Q 1931
Peter Anthony Pitfield 18 Dec 1931 Sep 1983 Bristol Avon
- birth reg Poole Mar Q 1932
Anthony Noel Spillane 18 Dec 1931 Jun 1973 Paddington Greater London
- no birth (or marriage) (or in Ireland) registration


Ancestry tree

"Anthony M Noel Spillane (sic) was born on December 18, 1931. He married Flora Enid O Dymock in December 1957 in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England. They had one child during their marriage. He died in June 1973 in London, London, England, at the age of 41."
- no parents or birth record attached

There are three trees with Anthony M N(Noel) Spillane and that DOB, but no parents or birth info.

Hello Joonie. I have been in contact with the SIL of Michael Fry. He told me Michael Fry's Father was supposedly John Colston Fry. So yes as far as we know the info you posted is correct regarding JCF and HMS Hood. They know little else of the family although they do recall Sheila Boardman. (MF's sister).

Have just checked this out. JCF cannot possibly have been the Father of MF as he was only 20 yrs old when he died in 1941. Which would have made him 10 years old in 1931 when MF was born. Another mixed up family legend.

Is this Ancestry tree where the info came from??

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/25837285/person/1723129737/story?ssrc=

"John Colston FRY was born on August 21, 1920. He had one son with Margery Fry in 1930. He died as a young father on May 24, 1941, in Bavaria, Germany, at the age of 20, and was buried there."

DOB 21 Aug 1920

It makes no sense, of course, since he did not have a child at age 10.

Good grief, the tree even says that.

"When Michael FRY was born on October 10, 1930, his father, John, was 10 and his mother, Margery, was 30. He was married twice and had children with one wife and with another. He died on April 11, 1990, at the age of 59."

Supposedly, Margery died in Manchester, Jamaica. Nobody pays attention when they click what Ancestry offers.

"Michael FRY died on April 11, 1990, when he was 59 years old.
11 APR 1990 • 196 Woodhouse Lane, Benchill, Wythenshawe"

The tree is ridiculous. It does show Margery Fry as having another unnamed spouse and two unnamed children ...

It might be worth knowing what the tree owner's connection is though, if any.

This is the only Fry who died when HMS Hood was sunk

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2492681/fry,-john-colston/


Ordinary Coder FRY, JOHN COLSTON
Service Number P/JX 229360
Died 24/05/1941
H.M.S. Hood
Royal Navy


No age or family info, unfortunately, so not possible to identify his birth, apparently after 1911 when middle names no longer shown.

After I mused about that birth, we got the 1939 info that Madge's birthdate was 1 Jan 1900 though. But that still sounds suspect to me. :-)

The one thing I would not put much stock in is the middle name Adelaide. It was an era when young women not infrequently fancied their names up. My grandmother Lily became Lilian after marriage because her husband thought Lily "common". My other grandmother had no middle name, but always wanted one and had decided on Mary. We saw a grandmother named Marion Lilian here who was born plain Mary Lily. Adelaide was definitely trendy circa 1900, but it still might have been an adopted addition.

The Cockney accent is an interesting tidbit to keep in mind.


The 1933 birth seems like a good candidate, given the mishmash of surnames everywhere else!



Oh, we cross-posted.

Is the story of the sailor something handed down in family memory?

When you say died on HMS Hood, you mean in 1941?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hood#Battle_of_the_Denmark_Strait