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Anita

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I think I have found some of the family, will update this thread later if all turns out well!

I went on the order the death certificate and it says estimated dispatch date 14th February, so that's going to be a long wait.

Going to look for an obituary in the mean time.

The death notice has changed my search to Cleckheation instead of Queensbury now though - so will have a different look in the normal sources!

There was 3 stephen Bowmans born in q1 1951, one is stephen p, (mother mcanulty), one in West Morland and one in Romford, so it looks likely that it is our Stephen. That has died unfortunately

She would have been asked to provide a copy of the Decree Absolute in that case

That death looks very like it could be stephen unfortunately, I will look into that further.

Edith/Bridget shows her previous marriage as dissolved in her marriage to george!

I will check out those other marriages to too see if there is any children

What does Edith/Bridget say about her marital status on the cert of the Hooper marriage?

First name(s) Stephen Paul
Last name Bowman
Birth year 1951
Birth date 11 Jan 1951
Death year 2007
Death date 26 Oct 2007
Cemetery Liversedge cemetery
City Liversedge
County Yorkshire
Country England

Only two possible marriages for Bridget.

Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%)
McAnulty Bridget Wood Stockport 8a 185 No, born 1908

Marriages Jun 1932 (>99%)
McAnulty Bridget Stretch W.Derby 8b 776 Nor this one, she was also born 1908

Of course, she may not necessarily have married Hugh Bowman

Of course I realise it is not them, Anita. I was not suggesting it was!

(Nonetheless, a couple could perfectly well have had children several years before marrying, and the mother could simply have reported her surname as her husband's surname. One set of my grx2 grandparents apparently never married, in spite of having a rather large number of children and recording the mother as formerly-her-birth-name. Ditto another set of my grx2 grandparents, who married several years after having the last of their also numerous children and the mother recording her name as formerly-her-birth-name.)

I posted it because of the possibility that Hugh and Edith were not married, and that he subsequently married.

Since the father's name on the birth cert is clear, and the only possible birth we can find for that father is the one I posted, in 1917 in Belfast, and there is no other record of a Hugh David Bowman apart from the death in 1991 showing a DOB of 1917 ... I thought it a good bet that the man who married in 1948 was the same man. There may have been a divorce, or no marriage to Edith. (Or there is always the fun option of bigamy, which did happen.)

That marriage certificate would tell you whether he reported single or divorced. It would also tell you his age and father's name, which would at least show whether it was the man born in 1917.

Unfortunately, the wife's surname is so common that I can't tell whether it was her birth surname or a previous married surname. I don't have Ancestry access at the moment, but her 2007 death record would show her date of birth so her birth could possibly be identified. (This would be useful for determining whether the couple had children, if she did not marry under her birth surname.)

If someone with access wants to check, the death was 2007 in West Yorkshire.
Edit: born 1924.
Edit again: in June, duh. :-)
And there is a birth reg to match the name she married Bowman under.

Since all of this is about the private lives of the family of people who are probably living (the two men you are searching for) I am trying to be a little discreet. I purposely did not put the name of the 1948 wife for that reason.

Hugh and Edith had a child in 46 and the birth cert lists the mother as Edith bowman ,so the marriage in 48 is not them.

I had looked at that marriage previously and ruled it out, not just due to the timing but the marriage is to a June Williams.

Although I can't see any children to a Bowman and Williams

A Hugh D Bowman married in 1948 in Wandsworth. Given that it is the only marriage for that name in England/Wales ...

The death record posted earlier shows an HDBowman death 1991 in Herefordshire.
A woman matching the 1948 wife's name was on the electoral roll 2002-2004 (alone) in Ledbury.
Possible: someone with the same name and initial was on the ER 2005-2007 (also alone) in Bingley, and died there in 2007.


Likely birth (and makes sense he would have been named for his father killed earlier that year):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBBW-24S

Name Hugh David Bowman
Event Type Birth
Event Date Apr - Jun 1917
Event Place Belfast, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Apr - Jun 1917
Registration District Belfast
Volume Number 1


his likely father's marriage (man killed in 1917, apparently career military, from 1911 census posted earlier):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY6D-Z3N

Name Hugh David Bowman
Event Type Marriage
Event Date Jul - Sep 1912
Event Place Belfast, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jul - Sep 1912
Registration District Belfast
Volume Number 1

Thanks, I will look into this and Irish records too. My dad thinks she may have been married before Hugh Bowman also, so may not be appearing in the 1939 register as Edith/Bridget Mcanulty or Bowman! She is a confusing woman to find! I am going to try Scottish records also just in case!

Can't see any sign of Bridget/Edith in 1939

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
India Street, Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Hugh Bowman Head Married Male 42 1849 Ireland Railway Labourer Transcription
Mary Jane Bowman Wife Married Female 43 1848 Ireland - Transcription
Helen Bowman Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1873 Ireland Steam Loom Weaver Transcription
Martha Bowman Daughter - Female 12 1879 Ireland - Transcription
Maggie Bowman Daughter - Female 10 1881 Ireland - Transcription
Hugh Bowman Son - Male 2 1889 Ireland - Transcription
James McCartney Lodger Unmarried Male 32 1859 Ireland Furnaceman

1911 census
First name(s) Hugh D
Last name Bowman
Relationship -
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Age 22
Birth year 1889
Birth place Lanark Rotherglen
Occupation Able Seaman Rn
House name -
House number -
Street -
Address Keyham Devonport
Parish Devonport
County Devon
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Devonport
Registration district number 278
Enumeration district 13
District number 13
Sub district Tamar
Sub district number 3
Census reference RG14PN13060 RD278 SD3 ED13 SN9999
RG78 code number 753
Piece number 13060


First name(s) Hugh David
Last name Bowman
Service number 234603
Birth year 1889
Birth date 03 Feb 1889
Birth place Glasgow
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth country Scotland
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/416/234603
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Thanks I will look into that, but unfortunately Irish records aren't online for marriages less than 75 years ago!

From family knowledge, we have no record of the marriage being in Ireland, and my granny was born in 1918 and bridget in 1911, and my granny always thought her sister to England relatively young.

From Scotland's People site, the possible birth of the man who died in 1917

BOWMAN
HUGH DAVID
M
1889
654/ 86
Rutherglen

His death from the Ancestry site

Name: Hugh David Bowman
Birth Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Death Date: 14 Mar 1917
Death Place: Persian Gulf
Enlistment Place: Belfast, Co. Antrim
Rank: Corporal
Regiment: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: S/17481
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Asiatic Theatres
Other Records: Search for 'Hugh David Bowman' in other WWI collections

In view of the Irish connection, I am posting this as possibly being his father
From CWGC site

Corporal
BOWMAN, HUGH DAVID
Service Number S/17481
Died 14/03/1917
Aged 29
2nd Bn.
Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)

Husband of M. A. Bowman, of 7, Rockdale St., Belfast.

So Edith/Bridget's first marriage could have been in Ireland?

Could this be relevant?

First name(s) HUGH DAVID
Last name BOWMAN
Gender Male
Birth day 20
Birth month 4
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1991
District Hereford
Register number 791
County Herefordshire
Volume 29
Page 253

He lived in Ledbury, and Probate was granted in Llandaff - "Not exceeding £125,000.00". No executors listed.