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17 Aug 2017 08:53 |
Yes that all correct my Grandmother pass just after my son was born. There are two more girls my Mother and my Auntie who is still alive and is 95 years old. I am now going to order Sarah E Griffiths birth certificate today now I know I am on the right track. Looks like you were up at the same time , once again thank you for your help.
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17 Aug 2017 02:59 |
Ernest in 1939:
Odstone Farm , Faringdon R.D., Berkshire, England Ernest S Frairson 05 Aug 1885 Male Farmer Single
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17 Aug 2017 02:55 |
Just for reference- this is Ruth's parents. Seems to be an error on the marriage index.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 116 Charlotte St Devonport, Devonport, Devon, England
Arthur Radford Williams Head Married Male Painter House 30 1881 Cornwall Lattash Sarah Williams Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Cornwall Camborne Winifred Williams Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Cornwall Lattash
married 5 years- 3 children, 1 still living. -------------------------------
Births
WILLIAMS, FREDERICK ARTHUR (mother's maiden name:MAY) GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 38 (died 1906)
WILLIAMS, WINIFRED MAY (mother's maiden name: MAY) GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 35
WILLIAMS, ARTHUR EDGAR (mother's maiden name: MAY) GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 313 (died 1909)
WILLIAMS, GEORGE (mother's maiden name: MAY) GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 307 (died 1911) --------------------------------
1939: William Household (4 People) 17 George Street , Plymouth C.B., Devon, England Arthur R William 31 Mar 1881 Male House Painetr Unemployed Married Sarah William 01 Feb 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Sorry, this record is officially closed. Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Arthur's death: First name(s) ARTHUR R Last name WILLIAMS Gender Male Birth year 1881 Age 59 Death quarter 1 Death year 1940 District Plymouth County Devon Volume 5B Page 1181
oh, but hold on- birth date for Sarah on the 1939 register doesn't match the DOB on the 1974 death:
Name: Sarah Williams Death Age: 89 Birth Date: 1 Apr 1884 Registration Date: Mar 1974 Registration district: Plymouth Inferred County: Devon Volume: 7a Page: 2230 ---------------------------------------------------
Ruth's sister Winifred married 1927: First name(s) Winnifred May Last name Williams Marriage year 1927 Marriage date 26 Dec 1927 Parish St Stephen Place Devonport, St Stephen Spouse's first name(s) Charles William Spouse's last name Anderson Denomination Anglican City or town Devonport
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ArgyllGran
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16 Aug 2017 23:05 |
Perhaps those births are from this marriage:
Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%) Freearson Arthur H Griffiths Coventry 6d 2178 Griffiths Maud Freearson Coventry 6d 2178
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ArgyllGran
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16 Aug 2017 22:51 |
I don't see a marriage of a Williams to Sarah May in Plymouth. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the relationships?
The Frearson/Griffiths births are in Wycombe, Bucks, and Watford, Herts. - for whatever that's worth. Ernest doesn't seem to have been in either place at that time - but maybe Ruth was.
E S Frearson in the British Phone Books, 1880-1984 Name: E S Frearson Address: Fnnr,Odhtone [Farmer, Odstone Farm, Ashbury.] Publication Year: 1935 Directory Place: Norfolk, Essex, Berkshire, Surrey, Hertfordshire, Sussex, Kent, Hampshire, Gloucestershire, Devon, Glamorganshire Exchange: farm Directory Title: Norwich / Cambridge / Essex / East Suffolk / East Hertfordshire / South Midland / Guildford / Brighton / Tunbridge Wells / Canterbury / Southampton / Portsmouth / Bournemouth / Bristol / Exeter / Plymouth / South Wales / Gloucester Page Number: 57
Googling Odstone Farm, Ashbury produces two places of the same name, one in Oxfordshire, and one in Swindon. This seems to be the Swindon one, per this link re Ernest's brother:
http://cemeteryjunctionwargraves.org.uk/brian-harold-frearson/
Ernest S Frearson in the 1891 England Census Name: Ernest S Frearson Gender: Male Age: 5 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1886 Father: Henry I Frearson Mother: Annie M Frearson Birth Place: Barton Stacey, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Ashbury Ecclesiastical parish: Ashbury Residence Place: Idstone Tything, Ashbury, Berkshire, England [ Odstone Farm] Registration district: Faringdon Sub registration district: Shrivenham ED, Institution or Vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 974 Folio: 53 Household Members: Name Age Henry I Frearson 33 Annie M Frearson 32 Frederic H Frearson 10 William J Frearson 8 Arthur E Frearson 7 Ernest S Frearson 5 Annie M Frearson 3 Herbert Frearson 1 Laura E Frearson 3/12 Sarah Ann Beckett 20
He's at that address also in various years until 1946.
It's a pity it's just a phone book entry, and not an ER to see who's with him.
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16 Aug 2017 21:22 |
I can't see a connection but putting this here so someone else can look
There are two Frearson births mmn Griffiths in 1934 & 1937, I can't see a marriage but may have missed it. probably no connection but thought as the names cropped up it was worth a look.
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Paulette
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16 Aug 2017 20:13 |
My Grandmother live in Plymouth all her life I had a baby 1974 and my Grandmother died that year I think she was almost 100 years she was born Sarah May. I got to you pulled out all the stops finding out about my Auntie Ruth your all amazing. Not been on much today not having a good day having a Neurological Disorder I have days I can barley walk. Reading all your findings put a smile on my face. Thank to you all.
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 17:00 |
There are a few references to Justice Charles remarks- but I can't see any that give further details of the case:
Yorkshire Evening Post - Monday 15 March 1943
THE INDISPENSABLES Before sentencing a woman aircraft Inspector at Oxford Assizes to three months for bigamy, to-day, Mr. Justice Charles was told she was on important national work. The Judge commented, " It amuses me how many of these people come before me. A man who is possibly a valet soon becomes an inspector at a wage of seven eight pounds week. Since the war, I have never come across the prisoner engaged on national work who is not indispensable. As soon as you commit a crime, you become indispensable."
Justice Charles' remarks also mentioned in Staffordshire Advertiser - Saturday 03 April 1943
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ArgyllGran
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16 Aug 2017 16:44 |
Good find, Kay!
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 16:28 |
The article:
Manchester Evening News - Monday 15 March 1943
JUDGE ON 'INDESPENSABLE' WAR WORKERS
When Counsel at Oxford Assizes today pleaded for a woman aircraft inspector who was charged with bigamy, and, who he said, was engaged in important national work. Mr Justice Charles remarked 'It amuses me how many of these people come before me. A man who is possibly a valet, soon becomes an inspector at a wage of £7 or £8 a week. Since the war I have never come across the prisoner engaged on national work is not indispensable. As soon as you commit a crime you become indispensable' The woman, Ruth Cunningham (30) of Foxhill Road, Reading was sentenced to three months for bigamy, the judge remarking that bigamy is so common it is impossible to overlook it.
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 16:18 |
Fab Kay!
OK- so the bigamy could be the Frearson marriage? So perhaps Ruth never divorced? Or maybe married again after Frearson? A shame the article doesn't list the husband.
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Kay????
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16 Aug 2017 16:06 |
news archives? View nowClose Doc True (purchased) £l,OOO FINE UNPAID: WIFE HELD ASSETS £l,OOO FINE UNPAID: WIFE HELD ASSETS as v ou commit a crime you become indispensable.” The woman, Ruth Cunningham (30), of Fox hi 11 Road, Reading, was sentenced to three months for bigamy, the judge remarking that bigamy is so common it is impossible to overlook it. Schem**e to Stop Coal ***15 March 1943 - Manchester Evening News - Manchester, Greater
?? maybe aged 31 after March 1943 giving a birth 1912.
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 14:41 |
AG- that's why I was asking, I've already looked and can't be sure- Paulette said Ruth's father died aged 56.
I wanted to know if the family stayed in the Devon area.
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 14:28 |
Need to do a little more digging, but just putting this up so I can remember where I am:
According to the 1939 register her name change (whether by deedpole or marriage) was registered in Middlesex 1954, so it's likely Ruth was in the Middlesex area at this time.
Possible: 1945- 1948 electoral registers- Ruth Cunningham living at 31 Celia Crescent, Staines, Spelthorne -----------------------------------
Then in 1951 this Ruth Griffiths pops up
EDIT: Possibly not our Ruth- there is a Bert Griffiths marriage to Ruth Gllagher in 1950 Northumberland, and a birth of a possible child to this marriage in Middlesex.
1951- 1964 electoral registers- Ruth Griffiths living 534 Staines Road, Spelthorne with Bert Griffiths
1965 electoral registers- Ruth Griffiths living at 12a Stewart Avenue with Bert Griffiths
1968- Bert listed in phonebook- 12a Stewart Ave, Shepperton, Chertsey ----------------------------
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ArgyllGran
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16 Aug 2017 13:49 |
If they married in Devon, there are only two possibles 1900-12:
Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%) May Hannah Plymouth 5b 633 Williams Joseph Plymouth 5b 633 (Possibly living in Flintshire in 1911, but both also born there, so maybe not. Also wouldn't fit with Ruth's birth Devonport 1912))
Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%) May Annie Louisa Plymouth 5b 624 Williams William James Plymouth 5b 624
(Living in Plymouth 1911)
There are a few possible marriages elsewhere, but not many.
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AustinQ
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16 Aug 2017 12:36 |
I've had a busy morning. I've only just got on the computer!
Paulette- do you know the names of Ruth's parents?
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Paulette
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15 Aug 2017 19:28 |
I don't have any information on the will you cannot look it up you have to buy it. I will continue searching. Don't have the certificate for Sarah E Griffiths as yet. Thank you your help.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Aug 2017 19:17 |
I wonder if this is Sarah E in 1939 register? YOB wrong, but place right. If so, she's not Ruth's child:
Baby (Sarah Elizabeth) Griffiths (Morris) 1937 Newcastle Emlyn R.D. Carmarthenshire
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AustinQ
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15 Aug 2017 19:12 |
No, but it could be her own child?
Difficult to know without the certificate details- although my feeling at the moment is that it's not related (the Griffiths surname wasn't added to the 1939 register until 1954 Middlesex) .
I'm still curious about the Kathleen Cunningham birth.
I'll should be around tomorrow, I'll have another little dig then.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Aug 2017 19:08 |
On thinking more about it -
if Sarah's birth was registered in Carmarthen in 1936, she can't be the child referred to in the 1933 court case.
But she could be the child in the photo.
Confused? I certainly am.
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