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Full 1911 as posted by malyon

Ethel Randell
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul

Country: England
Street address: 36 Hales Street, Deptford
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 2625
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Randell 34
Mary Randell 32
Richard Randell 12
Ethel Randell 10
Lily Randell 4
William Randell 2

Married 13 years, 6 children born alive all still living.

I'm not convinced as Richard was still around in 1905. Even if they were living without the benefit of marriage, by sharing the same surname they could have taken the number of years from when their own child was born

" I was in touch [with her] last year after another cousin of my grandad died"

Could you name the cousin please? When were they born? We might be able to back-track and work out relationships from that.

this could be ethel in 1911

Ethel Randell
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name
Ethel Randell
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1911
County
London
Parish
St Paul Deptford
Sub-District
Deptford East
Registration District
Greenwich
Gender
Female
Age
10
Birthplace
Greenwich, London
Record Type
Household

Just as a point of interest, the person who registered Ethel Pretoria Fludder's death, in Lewisham (died in Lewisham), says that she was born about 1900. They did not know her date of birth.

On the image page there are about 2 people with an unknown birth date, so have an 'about' birth year, and all others have the exact date of birth (whether right or wrong)

Stuck again!

Unless Victoria recognises some names of the Randell, the 'cousins' are likely to be on the Fludder side. :-0

England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Richard T Randell
Age: 5
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1899
School: Randall Place School
Borough: Greenwich
Admission Date: 9 Jan 1905
Parent: Richard
Notes: Randall Place School (0449) opened in or before 1868. Renamed James Wolfe School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV06/RAN/AD/008

Father Richard
Immediately below that is Ethel P Randell, dob 2 Jul 1900.
We've already established that the year is wrong on the 1939 register. The day and month co-incide

Can't find her in 1911, but suggested births from GRO free search (we already know about Ethel Pretoria)

RANDELL, RICHARD THOMAS GEORGE mmn SADLER
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1216

RENDALL, PERCY mmn SADLER
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 218

The 1939 electoral roll at 25 Giffin Street (same address as 1939 Register) does show

Robert Patrick Fludder
Ethel Pretoria Fludder

Ethel's yob as shown on the death index found by malyon as Ethel Pretoria is 1900.

Ethel Pretoria Fludder
Birth Date: 1900
Date of Registration: Sep 1983
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 0463

Obviously something 'hinky' is going on, but I'm convinced the 1920 marriage posted earlier is correct.

This ties in with a yob of 1900 in the correct area
Ethel Pretoria Randell
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1155
........
1901 census
Ethel Randell
Age: 9/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lewisham, London, England
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Search Photos: Search for 'Deptford St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 528
Folio: 40
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 73

George W Cannon 34
Annie Cannon 35
Louisa Cannon 12
Mary Cannon 10
Mabel Cannon 5
Thomas Cannon 8
George Cannon 6/12

Lotty Randell 22 - visitor
Ethel Randell 9/12 - visitor
Thomas Randell 2 - visitor

Parent's marriage
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Randell Richard Greenwich 1d 1926
Sadler Charlotte Mary Greenwich 1d 1926

the only death which I already posted says born 1900 in Lewisham not too far from Greenwich it must be her

ETHEL PRETORIA FLUDDER
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
London
Year
1983
Birth Year
1900
Event Quarter
3
District
LEWISHAM

Good point Malyon.

Oh dear - back to the drawing board :-0

Having said that, the birth of Irene Maud Fludder

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Fludder Irene M Randall Greenwich 1d 1628

The age of consent was 16 in 1920 as it is now. If the 1Q 1920 marriage is correct and Ethel was born 02 Jul 1905 she was slightly underage.With the consent of her parents, she may have declared that she was 16.
Although the 1939 is transcribed as Ethel G the image does say Ethel P.
Occupations for other entries such as Gardener do have a recognisable G. The one against Ethel's name is exactly the same as Robert's P.

Good call though and well worth making.

Victoria does seem to think that the children 'fit' with her knowledge of them.

the ethel in 1939 electrol is ethel g is that a mistake also say's born1905 which must be wrong she married in 1920 would have been only 15years old

Can't find anything for Alf! Alfred?

Ethel P Randall seems to be a mystery as well. Hopefully someone else can try and find available records. This is SO annoying.

Renee was possibly Irene Maud, The children of his siblings would have been his nephews and nieces rather than his cousins.

Kate was likely to have been Kathleen

KATHLEEN
Last name FLUDDER
Birth year 1904
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District GREENWICH
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1128

Her marriage
KATHLEEN
Last name FLUDDER
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1928
MarriageFinder™ KATHLEEN FLUDDER married
GEORGE H HALL
Spouse's last name HALL
District GREENWICH
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1127

They appear to have one son b 1928 in Greenwich reg, but his name starts with a G middle initial J

1939 register
Hall Household (2 People) 36 Brookmill Road , Deptford, London, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Kathleen Hall 26 Nov 1905 Female Gas Mask Assemble Married 24 2
George H Hall 02 Mar 1903 Male Wharf Labourer Hw Married 24 1

G.J Hall (either died or evacuated) isn't with them and there is no indication that Kathleen had a second marriage.

My grandad siblings was
George fludder no children .
Lillian fludder no children
Reene (don't know if this is correct spelling or short for something.) And don't know if she had children. Just trying all ways to find them

That's right Sam couldn't have children my nan told me that years ago. Thank you

death for Robert fludder

ROBERT P FLUDDER
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Staffordshire

there is no middle name P on his birth reg
Year
1942
Birth Year
1896
Age
46
Event Quarter
4
District
WOLVERHAMPTON

James Fludder 1896 seems to have moved to the West Country

1939 register
Coles Household (3 People) Brinsea Road , Axbridge R.D., Somerset, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
James Fludder 13 Feb 1898 Male General Labourer Single 73 4 <<<
Frank Coles 17 Apr 1885 Male Agricultural Labourer Married 73 1
Lily M Coles 21 Sep 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 73 2

His death
JAMES
Last name FLUDDER
Gender Male
Birth day 13
Birth month 2
Birth year 1898
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1972
District EXMOOR
County Devon
Volume 7C
Page 1041

Sam (Samuel) marriage

SAMUEL
Last name FLUDDER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1930
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL FLUDDER married
MAUD PEARSON
Spouse's last name PEARSON
District GREENWICH

Can't see them on the 1939 Register so either he was in the Forces (unlikely due to his age) or his name has been badly mangled.
Freebmd don't show any children

His death
SAMUEL
Last name FLUDDER
Gender Male
Birth year 1893
Age 69
Death quarter 1
Death year 1962
District DEPTFORD
County London
Volume 5C
Page 586
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 2512

OK - lets see what we can do with the Fludder side as that's a more unusual name
His father Robert

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17 Stanhope St Deptford, St Paul Deptford, London, England
name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
George Fludder Head Married Male Bricklayer 60 1851 Blackfriars
Kate Fludder Wife Married Female - 48 1863 London Woolwich Kent
Sam Fludder Son Single Male Labourer General 18 1893 Deptford Kent
Robert Fludder Son Single Male Labourer General 15 1896 Deptford Kent <<<<
James Fludder Son - Male School 13 1898 Deptford Kent
Kate Fludder Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Deptford Kent
Alf Fludder Son - Male - 4 1907 Deptford Kent

His parents had 5 live births, all still living.