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5 Aug 2016 02:20 |
I also noticed this record - previously posted: Name William Jackson Spouse's Name Emily Amelia Waldren Event Date 22 Apr 1900 Event Place St. Michaels, R.C., Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, Australia Father's Name Thomas Jackson Mother's Name Margaret Anne Nolan Spouse's Father's Name Michael Waldren Spouse's Mother's Name Anne Wright
An Emily Amelia WALDREN was born to Michael WALDREN and Mary A ROBINS in Wagga Wagga in 1882. She had a sister, Annie Honora M b. 1880.
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5 Aug 2016 02:24 |
Michael WALDREN died in 1935 in Wagga Wagga aged 78, reg shows him as son of James, mother not stated (reg 23749 as WALDRON).
His obituary mentions his daughters Mrs P. Jackson and Mrs W. Jackson :-) and also states he was born in Victoria.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144576688
Funeral gives further details: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144561444
His wife died in 1906 aged only 46, daughter of John & Ann (reg 14557). The family lived in Uranquinty, just south of Wagga Wagga. (Likely birth for Mary as Mary A ROBINS b. 1860 in Camden NSW, parents John & Ann, reg 5990).
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142110875
I'd say this is most likely Michael's birth in Victoria: Name: Michael WALDREN Father: James Mother: Mary FLYNN Birth Place: MALDON (not far from Amphitheatre, Vic) Year: 1858 Reg Number: 3367
No other births to this couple in Victoria. I think the James WALDREN who died in Tarcutta in 1885 aged 67 was Michael's father: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223984010
Trees online have Jas as born in 1818 in Ireland. It appears he may have had a 2nd marriage in 1875 to Mary Jane ARCHER in Wagga (reg 4266) if online trees are correct. (She remarried in 1895 to John NOLAN and died in 1917).
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5 Aug 2016 03:21 |
Children of Michael WALDREN and Mary Anne ROBINS (m. 1878 NSW), all born in Wagga Wagga:
1. Selina Ann 1877, d. 1941 Wagga Wagga [did not marry] 2. Annie Honora Maude 1880, m. Patrick JACKSON 1900 Wagga Wagga 3. Emily Amelia 1882, m. Wm JACKSON 1900 Wagga Wagga, d. 1949 Albury 4. Rachel M 1885, m. Arthur John SVANBERG [not SWANBERG] 1905 Wagga Wagga 5. Walter John J 1887, m. Ester Isabella WEBBER 1911 Wagga Wagga, d. 1972 Woollongong 6. Michael Wm 1889, m. Christina Eliza WEBBER 1909 Wagga Wagga, d. 1964 Wagga Wagga 7. David H Alexander 1892, d. 1961 Tumbarumba 8. Mabel F 1894, m. Stephen Edward BROWN 1914 Temora 9. Ethel Mary Gladys 1897, m. Peter Forbes ROSS 1916 Junee, d. 1981 10. Angus Oliver 1900, d. 1977 (as Oliver Angus WALDREN, in ACT)
Note that 2 lots of siblings married siblings (the Jacksons and Webbers). All died as WALDRON except Angus so surname spelling changed from WALDREN.
Selina's obit mentions her siblings including Annie: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143985015
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5 Aug 2016 04:04 |
Death for Patrick's wife in NSW: 64181/1971 JACKSON ANNIE HANORA MAUDE MICHAEL MARY ANNE COOTAMUNDRA
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Cherilyn
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5 Aug 2016 04:17 |
Oliver served in WWII, aged 18 - his service record is digitised and can be viewed at http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/ (click the 'RecordSearch' link toward top of page)
WALDREN Oliver Angus : Service Number - 5486 : Place of Birth - Wagga Wagga NSW : Place of Enlistment - Goulburn NSW : Next of Kin - (Father) WALDREN Michael
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5 Aug 2016 04:38 |
Ok so you have this info:
Kathleen Eileen JACKSON born 1917 at Coolamon NSW to Patrick and Annie JACKSON nee WALDREN/WALDRON.
You then have her father Patrick JACKSON"s birth 1 Apr 1866 in Picton NSW son of Thomas (b. 1834) and ?Catherine.
The birthdate you have for Patrick (what is your source?) fits this birth reg: 9116/1866 JACKSON PATRICK THOMAS ANNE GUNDAGAI
But this shows his mother as Anne.
Then on Patrick's marriage record his mother is shown as Margaret Anne: Name Patrick Jackson Spouse's Name Annie Waldren Event Date 16 Sep 1900 Event Place St. Michaels, R.C., Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, Australia Father's Name Thomas Jackson **Mother's Name Margaret Anne Noonan** Spouse's Father's Name Michael Waldren Spouse's Mother's Name Mary Anne Robins
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5 Aug 2016 04:39 |
Is this Patrick's death?? 4389/1953 JACKSON PATRICK THOMAS MARY ANNE NARRANDERA
His obit should give some clues: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101635473
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Cherilyn
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5 Aug 2016 04:58 |
Okay that death in 1953 is definitely your man. Here is another obit that gives a lot more info and also names Kathleen Bell as a daughter :-) It also states he was born in Gundagai so the 1866 birth fits.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101618387
It states his father Thomas died when he was 3 years old. His mother was an Irish woman, and devout Catholic.
Likely matching death for father Thomas in 1870 in Gundagai, reg 3805, son of Thomas.
The first obit mentions a surviving sister Bridget, wife of Bill THOMPSON, and a late brother Wm.
The obit of another brother, Thomas, (see link below) lists siblings including Patrick and Mrs Wm Thompson. Other brothers are John and William JACKSON of Wagga. This fits perfectly with all the NSW births in Gundagai to Thomas & Ann: Thomas 1859 John 1862 William 1864 Patrick 1866
(N.B. date of eldest son's birth also fits the 1858 JACKSON-NEWMAN marriage in Deniliquin, posted by JoonieCloonie)
BROTHERS OF PATRICK JACKSON b. 1866 Obit of Thos JACKSON jnr (d. 1933): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143152961 and his funeral http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143152599 Obit of Wm JACKSON (d. 1936): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144674811 Obit of John JACKSON (d. 1947): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144843411
Obit of Wm JACKSON of Junee (brother-in-law of Patrick JACKSON) d. 1952 Junee: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101636300
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5 Aug 2016 05:14 |
Children of Patrick and Annie (m. 1900) - from BMD and obit info:
1. William D. 1901, d. 1903 2. Margaret E 1903, m. Percy Jas WINSLETT 1924 Adelong 3. Ethel 1905, m. Alfred Thos MARSHALL 1922 Wagga Wagga 4. Emily 1908, m. Albert HODGES 1926 Wagga Wagga 5. Mary 1910, m. Norman Allan PATTERSON, d. ? 6. Ellen (Nellie) 1912, m. Albert Edward RIDDING 1927 Narranderra 7. Rosy (Rose) 1915, m. John HODGES 1935 Wagga Wagga 8. Kathleen E 1917, m. Sydney T BELL 1935 Gundagai 9. Lorraine c1920, m. A. ROBERTS, ?d. 2009? 10. Daniel Stanley (Stanley) c1922, d. 1971 Sydney 11. Thomas Patrick 1925
Death of youngest son from Ryerson Index (youngest brother of Kathleen) JACKSON Thomas Patrick Panashas Death 08OCT2011, late of Cootamundra, formerly of Mangoplah, Temora, Holbrook Obituary Cootamundra Herald 23NOV2011
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Cherilyn
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5 Aug 2016 07:01 |
I believe I have solved the mystery of Bridget, sister of Patrick JACKSON.
It appears that after Patrick's father died in 1870, his mother remarried in 1871 as Margaret Ann JACKSON to Michael CORRY in Tumut (reg 3612).
A daughter Bridget was born to this couple in Gundagai: 10861/1872 CORRY BRIDGET MICHAEL MARGARET A GUNDAGAI
Then this marriage: 2355/1902 THOMPSON WILLIAM CURRY BRIDGET E WAGGA WAGGA
And a death matching year of birth and place last known: 15050/1956 THOMPSON BRIDGET ELLEN 84 YEARS JUNEE JUNEE
Still looking for Patrick's mother's death as CORRY or CURRY.
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Cherilyn
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5 Aug 2016 08:04 |
This is where 'Wright' comes into it in Wm's marriage...possibly informant error, skipped a generation!
Mary Anne WALDREN nee ROBINS birth: 5990/1860 ROBINS MARY A JOHN ANN CAMDEN
Her parents' marriage: 1666/1859 ROBINS JOHN WRIGHT ANNE CAMDEN
Her death: 14557/1906 WALDREN MARY A JOHN ANN WAGGA WAGGA
Children of John ROBINS and Ann WRIGHT (2 & 3 born Gundagai and 4 & 5 at Wagga Wagga): 1. *Mary Ann 1860-1906, m. Michael WALDREN 1878 Wagga Wagga* 2. John 1864-1944, m. Marie Susan NUGENT 1908 Junee 3. Amelia 1869-1935, did not marry 4. William Nicholas 1873-1951, m. Clara Mary MANGELSDORF 1912 Albury 5. Eliza Alice 1876-1936, m. Thomas James CURRIE 1910 Junee
Amelia's obit (1935): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144572824 Eliza's obit (1936): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144625314 John jnr's obit (1944): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144850455
I think this article refers to the death of John ROBINS snr, in 1918 aged 84, registered at nearby Narrandera (reg 15187, father as John but this may be unreliable!): http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122428917
His wife's death in 1904, aged 63 - http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104069817 Her death was reg in Narrandera, 2274, daughter of Samuel & Ann - possible matching christening in NSW in 1840:
The ROBINS' property in Coolamon was named Arthursleigh.
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Cherilyn
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5 Aug 2016 10:05 |
No idea if any of this is new as I don't know what KevinL has found for you so far but hopefully there is something. Not much further with Thos snr. (EDIT: The JACKSON-NEWMAN marriage cert or his 1870 death certificate is your best bet to go any further - but the marriage is quite early so may not have much detail). But it was an enjoyable day of sleuthing :-D
So what you have now (along with siblings' details etc) is, in a nutshell...
Kathleen Eileen JACKSON b. 1917-d. ? daughter of Patrick JACKSON b. 1866 Gundagai, d. 1953 Narrandera and Annie Hanora Maude WALDREN b. 1880 Wagga Wagga, d. 1971 Cootamundra
Patrick JACKSON 1866-1953 son of Thomas JACKSON ?-1870 Gundagai and Margaret Ann NEWMAN ?-? (who remarried to CORRY/CURRY in 1871)
Annie Hanora Maude WALDREN 1880-1971 daughter of Michael WALDREN b. 1858 Victoria, d. 1935 Wagga Wagga and Mary Anne ROBINS b. 1860 Camden, d. 1906 Wagga Wagga
Michael WALDREN 1858-1935 son of James WALDREN b. c1818 ?Ireland, d. 1885 Tarcutta and Mary FLYNN b. ? - d. ?
Mary Anne ROBINS 1860-1906 daughter of John ROBINS b. c1834, d. 1918 Narrandera and Anne WRIGHT b. 1840 NSW, d. 1904 Narrandera
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JoonieCloonie
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5 Aug 2016 14:14 |
Zowie!
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Cherilyn
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6 Aug 2016 04:15 |
:-D I do tend to get carried away...
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Colin
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7 Aug 2016 11:44 |
Hi Cheryl, I made a mistake in my previous record.
Patricks father was: Thomas Jackson born in Picton NSW in 1834
Mother: Anne Newman, born Limberick Ireland, on Patricks birth certifice it states that both Thomas and Anne were 28 years of age at the time of Patricks birth in 1834. They were married in Deniliquin NSW in October 1858.
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Colin
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7 Aug 2016 11:57 |
Cherilyn I think you have found everything i need to know, regarding my Grandmothers ancestorys, a lot of these people in the family list I know and believe they are my relatives. Thank you very much for your time and it will be great to complete that side of my family tree, I did have a book on the Walden Waldron Family which I borrowed from a member of the Waldron Family in Narrandera soe years back to verify my relationship to that family. I am doing this research for my father who is 80 years of age and ask me to look into his mother side of the family, My dad is Cecil Thomas Bell, eldest son of Kathleen and Sydney Thomas Bell.
Once again, thank you
Regards
Colin Bell
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