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hi thanks yes that is correct getting closer to john hopefully receive johns birth certificate within 15 days dave

If Mary Mee was Scottish, then this could be her birth:

1915 MEE MARY ANN BURNS F
BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0584

Credits on SP will let you see all the details - parents' names, and marriage place and date, etc.


And, as has been said before, her marriage cert will give her parents' names, so you can see if this is the same person.

thanks to all who helped found mary born in Scotland 1915 sent for birth certificate for john hope it is the one we are looking for details seem right but takes up to 15 days thanks all dave

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Name John M Abbott
Event Type Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1966
Registration District Wakefield
County Yorkshire
Event Place Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Hepworth
Volume 2D
Page 1456
Line Number 80

John M Abbott probably married one of the following people
Name Jean Hepworth

hi yes john was born Edinburgh 1940 father david McEwen abbott born Edinburgh 1903 married mary mee 1939 mary aged 23 anyone help with mary re place of birth thank you dave

Another thread was started by Dave today (which he has been asked to delete), asking for info re John Mee Abbott, born Edinburgh 1940.

My reply copied from there:


Birth given as 1942 - but maybe??

John Mee Abbott
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Mee Abbott
Birth Date: 8 Apr 1942
Date of Registration: Feb 1991
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1516

hi have viewed marriage online thank you for all your help could not have got this far without you I will let you have a rest now and will update you when I receive the certificates best wishes DAVE

yes Dave - the marriage I noted earlier:

Mary Mee married David Abbott in 1939 in Scotland

because it is recent, you will have to order it rather than just paying credits to view it on line.

could be a little after 1960 do I obtain marriage certificate for david and mary from scotlandspeople thanks DAVE

In case it hadn't been mentioned and you weren't aware, the Scottish marriage certificate for Mee and Abbott should give their ages and their parents' names, so that should definitely help identify Mary, which I think is still an open question.

I couldn't see a marriage as Mee or Abbott to Gordon Williams in England or Scotland, or a likely passage to South Africa before 1960, or any record in South African national archives for a Mary Mee/Abbott/Williams married to a Gordon (but those records would likely not be recent enough to show any deaths etc.).

thanks again seems the facts are coming together we know where dots father was born and hopefully her brother john also her father had a brother called William so maybe cousins somewhere dots so pleased as she never knew about her father or mother so perhaps we can fill in some of the gaps will try and find her parents wedding certificate and go from there best wishes DAVE

and I'll just add that there is a St Giles district in Edinburgh, and that is in fact where David Abbott was born in 1903, per scotlandspeople

(search for his birth in 1903 and select Edinburgh City, district St Giles)

so the military record that Ann posted from familysearch

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBR-4GX3

seems to be in error by assigning his birthplace of St Giles to Middlesex rather than Edinburgh, and that is more confirmation that the WWI record is for the right David.

sorry forgot to add mother was married again to a Gordon Williams then move to south Africa for reasons we do not know DAVE

hi joonie Dorothy was only about 2 when she was taken into care so there are many questions unanswered .we know her father was born in Scotland as I have got a record of him being born there from that site you kindly gave me also record of john mee abbott born there I have sent for a birth certificate for john maybe that will answer some questions also 1911 census we think is her grandfather with david and a brother living in Glasgow so there must be an uncle or his children somewhere I will keep you updated as soon as I find some more info thank you for all your help DAVE

just for info and completeness, I wondered whether the David in the WWI record and the David who died in 1960 might be this one (since the military record says born St Giles)

Births Jun 1904
Abbott David St. Geo. East 1c 333

but that child died in infancy so that birth can be ruled out

Deaths Sep 1904
ABBOTT David (age) 0 St. Geo. East 1c 234

sorry Dave, most of us here don't use GR for records and I don't know what's here

What I posted was from Ancestry, but you can see it at Freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Deaths Mar 1960
ABBOTT David M (age) 56 Evesham 9d 127


do you know the circumstances in which the children were in care? had Mary died?

Hi joonie cannot find david abbott in deaths would it be on GR thank you DAVE

excellent Dave, John's birth shortly after the parents' marriage, almost certainly him, so that should help

the 1903 birth looks like his father - that certificate you can view on line for 5 credits if you think it would help

there is no birth in England that acccounts for this death:

Name: David M Abbott
Birth Date: abt 1904 (probably 1903 after March)
Date of Registration: Mar 1960
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Evesham
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 9d
Page: 127

cannot find david McEwen abbott in England but have found 1 in Edinburgh born 1903 ???could this be the same person as in army records DAVE

Thank you ann will check this out DAVE